1 00:00:10,669 --> 00:00:02,629 you're locked into Inception Radio 2 00:00:14,089 --> 00:00:10,679 Network superior Wisconsin you're tuned 3 00:00:17,570 --> 00:00:14,099 in tonight vision radio exposing the 4 00:00:20,240 --> 00:00:17,580 truth one secret at a time prepare 5 00:00:23,439 --> 00:00:20,250 yourself as we explore the shadow worlds 6 00:00:26,810 --> 00:00:23,449 of suppressed history secret knowledge 7 00:00:44,220 --> 00:00:26,820 forbidden religion and shine a light on 8 00:00:44,230 --> 00:01:10,820 [Music] 9 00:01:10,830 --> 00:01:19,220 welcome to night-vision radio 10 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:21,720 hey everybody welcome to night vision 11 00:01:26,100 --> 00:01:24,400 radio so happy you could be with us this 12 00:01:28,860 --> 00:01:26,110 evening and we've got a great show 13 00:01:31,890 --> 00:01:28,870 planned an interesting show I can't wait 14 00:01:34,290 --> 00:01:31,900 to hear this story myself because my 15 00:01:36,510 --> 00:01:34,300 guest tonight says that he solved the 16 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:36,520 mystery of the Holy Grail one of the 17 00:01:42,090 --> 00:01:38,830 most enduring and greatest mysteries of 18 00:01:43,740 --> 00:01:42,100 all time so we're going to be hearing 19 00:01:46,620 --> 00:01:43,750 all about that in just a few minutes but 20 00:01:49,650 --> 00:01:46,630 first I want to remind everyone about 21 00:01:52,830 --> 00:01:49,660 the songwriting contest at return of the 22 00:01:56,460 --> 00:01:52,840 troubadour calm the contest is underway 23 00:01:58,980 --> 00:01:56,470 the deadline is is coming and they're 24 00:02:02,370 --> 00:01:58,990 looking for a song that uplifts the 25 00:02:04,469 --> 00:02:02,380 human spirit and all genres are welcome 26 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:04,479 so go to return to the troubadour come 27 00:02:08,359 --> 00:02:05,890 check it out because there's some great 28 00:02:11,460 --> 00:02:08,369 prizes I know the grand prize is like 29 00:02:14,940 --> 00:02:11,470 $5,000 in gold coins so it should be 30 00:02:18,390 --> 00:02:14,950 really really interesting for that right 31 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:18,400 songwriter please go and check them out 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:20,530 return to the troubadour calm and like 33 00:02:25,640 --> 00:02:22,570 them on Facebook as well because they 34 00:02:28,199 --> 00:02:25,650 know that music can change the world and 35 00:02:32,009 --> 00:02:28,209 Lord knows we need some change in going 36 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:32,019 on but anyhow tonight my guest is an 37 00:02:35,910 --> 00:02:34,810 Australian researcher and writer he's 38 00:02:38,220 --> 00:02:35,920 calling himself 39 00:02:41,009 --> 00:02:38,230 Ron Pistorius and I'm not gonna add him 40 00:02:43,650 --> 00:02:41,019 unless he wants to tell his real name on 41 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:43,660 the air but what's really important is 42 00:02:50,370 --> 00:02:47,050 the information that he has to impart 43 00:02:51,660 --> 00:02:50,380 and all you Reni's out there listen up 44 00:02:53,790 --> 00:02:51,670 and if you if you don't know what a 45 00:02:55,470 --> 00:02:53,800 Renny is you're probably not one but 46 00:02:59,789 --> 00:02:55,480 hopefully you will be but the time this 47 00:03:02,759 --> 00:02:59,799 show is over that's a sort of a short 48 00:03:04,949 --> 00:03:02,769 nickname for people who are interested 49 00:03:08,789 --> 00:03:04,959 in this whole Renly chateaux mystery 50 00:03:11,610 --> 00:03:08,799 Grail story is all encompassing big big 51 00:03:13,350 --> 00:03:11,620 mystery so Ron thank you so much for 52 00:03:16,340 --> 00:03:13,360 joining us I'm glad we finally got the 53 00:03:19,530 --> 00:03:16,350 technical difficulties worked out and 54 00:03:21,780 --> 00:03:19,540 happy to be speaking with you Thank You 55 00:03:24,470 --> 00:03:21,790 Renee and hello to you and hello to all 56 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:24,480 you wonderful listeners around the world 57 00:03:30,930 --> 00:03:29,170 yeah absolutely this year 58 00:03:34,380 --> 00:03:30,940 watch with interest your posts about 59 00:03:36,030 --> 00:03:34,390 this information and I have reviewed 60 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:36,040 some of the information that you sent 61 00:03:42,780 --> 00:03:38,890 over to you it's really interesting sort 62 00:03:47,250 --> 00:03:42,790 of us start out you know just a reminder 63 00:03:51,660 --> 00:03:47,260 to everyone that this holy grail mystery 64 00:03:54,030 --> 00:03:51,670 was sort of inherent in the you know 65 00:03:57,420 --> 00:03:54,040 what we termed this the Run was Chateau 66 00:04:01,650 --> 00:03:57,430 mystery the authors of Holy Blood Holy 67 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:01,660 Grail were pointing to that subject 68 00:04:06,630 --> 00:04:04,510 matter they went off in one direction 69 00:04:09,780 --> 00:04:06,640 and we thank them very much for their 70 00:04:12,180 --> 00:04:09,790 great work in sort of kicking off this 71 00:04:15,330 --> 00:04:12,190 whole publication of this type of 72 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:15,340 information so that the rest of us could 73 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:19,570 join in and join in to the search and 74 00:04:24,890 --> 00:04:22,690 people like Ron in Australia who are 75 00:04:29,100 --> 00:04:24,900 turning up evidence and information 76 00:04:31,950 --> 00:04:29,110 that's of interest to us all so you know 77 00:04:34,290 --> 00:04:31,960 Ron you're talking about you know in our 78 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:34,300 conversations online this is the first 79 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:36,220 time we've ever actually talked directly 80 00:04:43,010 --> 00:04:39,490 so it's kind of fun but you know our 81 00:04:47,219 --> 00:04:43,020 conversations online you talked about 82 00:04:51,870 --> 00:04:47,229 all the evidence pointing into another 83 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:51,880 direction away from renly Chateau or I 84 00:04:56,420 --> 00:04:54,010 guess that's a piece of the story but 85 00:04:59,340 --> 00:04:56,430 certainly there's much more and youth 86 00:05:02,070 --> 00:04:59,350 say that you found evidence of a map 87 00:05:06,260 --> 00:05:02,080 that points to this great lost treasure 88 00:05:10,590 --> 00:05:06,270 oh yeah what you have to think about is 89 00:05:13,020 --> 00:05:10,600 can you hear me still yes I can you're 90 00:05:15,420 --> 00:05:13,030 coming through loud and clear you have 91 00:05:20,130 --> 00:05:15,430 to think of the places like Rene's the 92 00:05:22,290 --> 00:05:20,140 Chateau as the terminal end of a much 93 00:05:24,420 --> 00:05:22,300 larger story it shouldn't be viewed as 94 00:05:27,150 --> 00:05:24,430 at the beginning we have to sort of go 95 00:05:29,700 --> 00:05:27,160 back from Renault to the shadow to a 96 00:05:30,810 --> 00:05:29,710 common point and once we realize that 97 00:05:33,210 --> 00:05:30,820 we've been heading in the wrong 98 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:33,220 direction we can sort of look at history 99 00:05:40,380 --> 00:05:37,570 and find out what's been going on there 100 00:05:42,180 --> 00:05:40,390 were you've talked about the Grail what 101 00:05:43,020 --> 00:05:42,190 would be the meaning of the Grail for 102 00:05:46,230 --> 00:05:43,030 you Renee 103 00:05:48,090 --> 00:05:46,240 oh my goodness you know that's exactly 104 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:48,100 what's gonna be one of my questions to 105 00:05:53,610 --> 00:05:50,170 you is I mean what are we talking about 106 00:05:56,010 --> 00:05:53,620 here you know it's been said that the 107 00:05:58,440 --> 00:05:56,020 Grail you know was a cup or a bowl that 108 00:06:02,600 --> 00:05:58,450 might have caught the blood of Jesus on 109 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:02,610 the cross that it could be a the womb of 110 00:06:08,910 --> 00:06:06,610 Mary Magdalene who some say bore the 111 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:08,920 children of Jesus and so held the blood 112 00:06:13,530 --> 00:06:10,150 of Jesus 113 00:06:17,340 --> 00:06:13,540 others say that it's a stone a Grail 114 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:17,350 stone I mean I've had my suspicions that 115 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:19,420 it might be a special stone it might be 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:24,490 connected somehow to fire stones or 117 00:06:30,270 --> 00:06:27,130 meteorites or asteroids coming from 118 00:06:33,780 --> 00:06:30,280 other worlds here and that might be why 119 00:06:35,670 --> 00:06:33,790 it has some special meaning but do I 120 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:35,680 know what the Grail is no I don't 121 00:06:42,090 --> 00:06:39,130 pretend to what is that well what we 122 00:06:44,340 --> 00:06:42,100 have to look at is to to actually pin 123 00:06:45,870 --> 00:06:44,350 down a sort of meaning for it and I'm 124 00:06:47,730 --> 00:06:45,880 like bald people here but we've got to 125 00:06:50,280 --> 00:06:47,740 sort of get down between the difference 126 00:06:52,830 --> 00:06:50,290 between a quantitative this description 127 00:06:55,230 --> 00:06:52,840 and a qualitative description and a 128 00:06:57,060 --> 00:06:55,240 quantitative description would be how 129 00:06:59,610 --> 00:06:57,070 something is described and it varies 130 00:07:03,210 --> 00:06:59,620 with language and meanings and a 131 00:07:06,270 --> 00:07:03,220 qualitative description is what's the 132 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:06,280 essence of being described here so what 133 00:07:14,370 --> 00:07:09,850 I'll do is I'll read back one of cretton 134 00:07:17,940 --> 00:07:14,380 de Troyes works and how he describes the 135 00:07:20,630 --> 00:07:17,950 Grail and this is out it actually they 136 00:07:24,180 --> 00:07:20,640 clumped the Grail and he's describing 137 00:07:29,250 --> 00:07:24,190 the procession of the Grail through the 138 00:07:31,470 --> 00:07:29,260 castle and it says handsome indeed where 139 00:07:35,670 --> 00:07:31,480 the attendants carrying the candelabra 140 00:07:37,740 --> 00:07:35,680 on each candelabrum then candles at the 141 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:37,750 very least were burning accompanying the 142 00:07:42,930 --> 00:07:40,450 attendants was a beautiful gracious and 143 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:42,940 elegantly attired young lady holding 144 00:07:48,570 --> 00:07:46,090 between the two hands a growl when she 145 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:48,580 entered holding the growl such brilliant 146 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:50,530 illumination appeared that the candles 147 00:07:54,150 --> 00:07:52,570 lost their brightness just as the Stars 148 00:07:56,610 --> 00:07:54,160 and the moon do with the appearance of 149 00:07:59,159 --> 00:07:56,620 the Sun following her 150 00:08:02,310 --> 00:07:59,169 was another young lady holding a silver 151 00:08:06,330 --> 00:08:02,320 carving platter now the word that 152 00:08:11,100 --> 00:08:06,340 appears in the comp to grow is growl 153 00:08:14,210 --> 00:08:11,110 it's G a a L and a growls the medieval 154 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:14,220 French oak world yes for a for a type of 155 00:08:21,390 --> 00:08:17,680 ornate serving bowl or a a deep dish 156 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:21,400 affair between that description and 157 00:08:27,780 --> 00:08:24,130 where we are now the meaning sort of 158 00:08:29,879 --> 00:08:27,790 changed with the usage of the word to 159 00:08:34,370 --> 00:08:29,889 become a sort of goblet in people's 160 00:08:36,409 --> 00:08:34,380 minds also Alice yes I have a chalice 161 00:08:37,589 --> 00:08:36,419 also if you have a look at the word 162 00:08:40,649 --> 00:08:37,599 candelabra 163 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:40,659 now if I was in Israel and visiting say 164 00:08:44,610 --> 00:08:42,370 the Temple of Jerusalem and I saw the 165 00:08:47,460 --> 00:08:44,620 huge menorah I would say look at that 166 00:08:49,500 --> 00:08:47,470 menorah right but the word used in the 167 00:08:54,060 --> 00:08:49,510 Cinch Ames Bible for the same thing is 168 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:54,070 candlestick and so well that's exactly 169 00:08:56,940 --> 00:08:55,450 what I thought of when you were reading 170 00:08:59,700 --> 00:08:56,950 that I was thinking I wonder if that's 171 00:09:02,280 --> 00:08:59,710 the menorah or the great menorah even 172 00:09:05,070 --> 00:09:02,290 that they're talking about and this is 173 00:09:09,030 --> 00:09:05,080 the element are you getting at that that 174 00:09:13,350 --> 00:09:09,040 that the that the Grail are the gras was 175 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:13,360 a part of the lost treasure of the 176 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:16,420 Temple of Solomon well I'm with the arts 177 00:09:22,019 --> 00:09:20,410 of the Covenant the great menorah it it 178 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:22,029 would all be part of it because if you 179 00:09:26,250 --> 00:09:24,490 look at it what they're describing and 180 00:09:27,990 --> 00:09:26,260 we don't look at the qualitative terms 181 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:28,000 we look at the quantitative terms of 182 00:09:33,480 --> 00:09:30,610 what's being described we're looking at 183 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:33,490 the furniture and the accoutrements from 184 00:09:37,460 --> 00:09:34,870 the original temple or the tabernacle 185 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:37,470 and what we're looking at is the 186 00:09:43,110 --> 00:09:40,270 sacrificial implements we're looking at 187 00:09:46,769 --> 00:09:43,120 a bowl to catch the sacrificial blood 188 00:09:49,590 --> 00:09:46,779 we're looking at a platter to present 189 00:09:53,340 --> 00:09:49,600 the sacrifice and if you look at the 190 00:09:56,370 --> 00:09:53,350 stories around the time of the contig 191 00:09:59,160 --> 00:09:56,380 roll all those Grail history stories 192 00:10:04,140 --> 00:09:59,170 they all talk about the same thing 193 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:04,150 we talk about a large treasure a large 194 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:08,170 Holy Grail being guarded in a castle by 195 00:10:13,140 --> 00:10:10,810 warlike Knights and everybody all 196 00:10:16,980 --> 00:10:13,150 has the idea that these warlike nights 197 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:16,990 are the templates in fact Eisenbach 198 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:19,810 describes it in his one as temple isin 199 00:10:24,660 --> 00:10:22,450 so there's already a knowledge of what's 200 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:24,670 going on but between that dating this 201 00:10:30,060 --> 00:10:27,610 data we've sort of lost the meaning of 202 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:30,070 what's occurring because the words have 203 00:10:34,430 --> 00:10:31,930 changed the quality the quantitative 204 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:34,440 description of what's being spoken about 205 00:10:47,730 --> 00:10:45,370 has been misread now when you're when 206 00:10:50,910 --> 00:10:47,740 you're talking about the the procession 207 00:10:55,530 --> 00:10:50,920 that you were reading about what was the 208 00:10:58,500 --> 00:10:55,540 time frame of that of that writing the 209 00:11:01,490 --> 00:10:58,510 those are Grail type stories they all 210 00:11:06,050 --> 00:11:01,500 began around the the beginning of the 211 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:06,060 second second 212 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:10,330 the second um millennia we're talking 213 00:11:14,670 --> 00:11:12,850 around the 1300s around that time and 214 00:11:18,890 --> 00:11:14,680 it's around the time that we had the 215 00:11:22,980 --> 00:11:18,900 Templars operating in Jerusalem and 216 00:11:25,410 --> 00:11:22,990 already everybody seems to know and they 217 00:11:28,410 --> 00:11:25,420 talk about how the Templars were found 218 00:11:36,990 --> 00:11:28,420 or in charge or brought back some type 219 00:11:41,340 --> 00:11:37,000 of large biblical treasure right now is 220 00:11:44,070 --> 00:11:41,350 that are you calling the Graul the whole 221 00:11:47,160 --> 00:11:44,080 treasure or are you referring to that 222 00:11:49,290 --> 00:11:47,170 bowl well not particularly referring to 223 00:11:53,910 --> 00:11:49,300 the bowl what we're looking at is 224 00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:53,920 probably a number of objects in one 225 00:11:57,720 --> 00:11:55,750 large treasure and I don't like using 226 00:11:59,550 --> 00:11:57,730 the words treasure because that brings 227 00:12:01,220 --> 00:11:59,560 up connotation of treasure hunters but 228 00:12:04,500 --> 00:12:01,230 it's the only word that can sort of fit 229 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:04,510 looking at a number of items that have 230 00:12:10,949 --> 00:12:07,330 all been conflated together under the 231 00:12:15,630 --> 00:12:10,959 heading of the Holy Grail because the 232 00:12:18,180 --> 00:12:15,640 Holy Grail is actually a type of essence 233 00:12:20,610 --> 00:12:18,190 or idea that we have to look at because 234 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:20,620 as you described one of the descriptions 235 00:12:24,340 --> 00:12:23,560 was that the Holy Grail could be the 236 00:12:27,450 --> 00:12:24,350 womb 237 00:12:29,830 --> 00:12:27,460 marry bearing the descendants of Jesus 238 00:12:33,730 --> 00:12:29,840 that is another idea that comes into 239 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:33,740 this or the import of the treasure of 240 00:12:45,430 --> 00:12:43,010 the Temple of Jerusalem so so when 241 00:12:47,770 --> 00:12:45,440 you're talking you're saying the Grail 242 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:47,780 is more of an idea we used the term Holy 243 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:50,810 Grail in a descriptive way today 244 00:12:58,090 --> 00:12:53,450 we'll say oh my gosh I found the Holy 245 00:13:00,190 --> 00:12:58,100 Grail of whatever you know in Indian 246 00:13:02,490 --> 00:13:00,200 music to describe you know you've hit 247 00:13:06,220 --> 00:13:02,500 the jackpot or you've got the the 248 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:06,230 ultimate thing so when you're talking 249 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:10,090 about the Holy Grail as a group of 250 00:13:17,230 --> 00:13:13,280 objects basically you're talking about 251 00:13:20,670 --> 00:13:17,240 the ultimate find you know if you don't 252 00:13:25,030 --> 00:13:20,680 like the word treasure say and are you 253 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:25,040 positing that these items are the Ark of 254 00:13:33,130 --> 00:13:28,210 the Covenant the great menorah the 255 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:33,140 jeweled breastplate the holy I mean the 256 00:13:39,130 --> 00:13:36,290 Degrelle the bowl are grabbing all the 257 00:13:41,710 --> 00:13:39,140 items that you're talking about they all 258 00:13:43,330 --> 00:13:41,720 for I'm saying they're all yes they're 259 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:43,340 all together for me 260 00:13:47,350 --> 00:13:45,890 one big type of cash and also the 261 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:47,360 research has identified a particular 262 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:50,930 object within a treasure known as the 263 00:13:55,390 --> 00:13:53,530 rose whatever that is can't be 264 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:55,400 determined at present because it's a 265 00:13:59,920 --> 00:13:57,650 little bit deep but they all been 266 00:14:02,970 --> 00:13:59,930 grouped together under the heading the 267 00:14:05,170 --> 00:14:02,980 Holy Grail which was probably once 268 00:14:07,630 --> 00:14:05,180 originally believed to have been a bowl 269 00:14:09,370 --> 00:14:07,640 or a goblet or some type of chalice that 270 00:14:12,790 --> 00:14:09,380 was probably held by Christ and 271 00:14:16,030 --> 00:14:12,800 originating from this original set of 272 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:16,040 furnishings and accoutrements that was 273 00:14:27,370 --> 00:14:24,410 from the Temple of Jerusalem and is 274 00:14:31,300 --> 00:14:27,380 there something particular about the 275 00:14:33,160 --> 00:14:31,310 bowl I mean why is it that the ball has 276 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:33,170 grown so much in legend and of course 277 00:14:37,030 --> 00:14:35,330 we've all we've all heard of the Ark of 278 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:37,040 the Covenant as well and some of the 279 00:14:41,350 --> 00:14:37,850 other items are 280 00:14:46,170 --> 00:14:41,360 well known so why would it be that this 281 00:14:51,850 --> 00:14:46,180 bowl is you know the subject of so many 282 00:14:54,309 --> 00:14:51,860 books poems works of art what is it is 283 00:14:57,249 --> 00:14:54,319 there something particular about that 284 00:14:59,050 --> 00:14:57,259 item that you know of well it's not 285 00:15:01,329 --> 00:14:59,060 necessarily the bowl it's the imported 286 00:15:04,540 --> 00:15:01,339 part it's the whole it's a whole group 287 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:04,550 of the the hoard of the cachet known 288 00:15:09,189 --> 00:15:07,130 known particularly as the holy grail or 289 00:15:12,069 --> 00:15:09,199 we should say the lost treasure of the 290 00:15:13,379 --> 00:15:12,079 Temple of Jerusalem if we go back to the 291 00:15:16,860 --> 00:15:13,389 story of rennes-le-chateau 292 00:15:20,050 --> 00:15:16,870 that's actually what the the target was 293 00:15:21,249 --> 00:15:20,060 being spoken about in the area it's sort 294 00:15:25,689 --> 00:15:21,259 of changed the out that they're looking 295 00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:25,699 for the cave of Mary or a Stargate or 296 00:15:29,530 --> 00:15:27,920 something but we're actually looking for 297 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:29,540 and it was described in the book by 298 00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,970 Gerard the scene is that it was a hoard 299 00:15:38,079 --> 00:15:34,399 of treasure from the Temple of Jerusalem 300 00:15:44,590 --> 00:15:38,089 that chained to the area via Titus 301 00:15:49,980 --> 00:15:44,600 through Rome and then the Visigoths hmm 302 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:49,990 I wonder I know 303 00:15:55,749 --> 00:15:52,790 Nicholas Heywood who you know and are 304 00:15:58,300 --> 00:15:55,759 familiar with and he was the purported 305 00:16:00,160 --> 00:15:58,310 member of the Priory of Zion that was in 306 00:16:03,370 --> 00:16:00,170 this in the film that I produced a few 307 00:16:07,090 --> 00:16:03,380 years back he talked about a series of 308 00:16:10,900 --> 00:16:07,100 items that are kept together yes that 309 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:10,910 are irrefutable incontrovertible is this 310 00:16:16,900 --> 00:16:14,930 what what he means but precisely what 311 00:16:18,879 --> 00:16:16,910 was I was doing I think at the time you 312 00:16:21,660 --> 00:16:18,889 know what would be incontrovertible what 313 00:16:25,509 --> 00:16:21,670 would be indisputable you know certainly 314 00:16:27,220 --> 00:16:25,519 documents could be disputed you know 315 00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:27,230 just about anything could be disputed 316 00:16:31,780 --> 00:16:29,120 bodies at this stage of the game at this 317 00:16:34,749 --> 00:16:31,790 many years later could be disputed but I 318 00:16:38,069 --> 00:16:34,759 I imagine if someone really had the 319 00:16:42,389 --> 00:16:38,079 treasures of the temple of Solomon those 320 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:42,399 would would be in disputed or 321 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:46,250 incontrovertible proof of something well 322 00:16:50,889 --> 00:16:48,370 if we could cost them more in fact to 323 00:16:51,340 --> 00:16:50,899 probably a few thousand years into the 324 00:16:55,300 --> 00:16:51,350 tap 325 00:16:57,940 --> 00:16:55,310 and desert it was when God appointed the 326 00:16:59,920 --> 00:16:57,950 first line of Davidic Kings the Davidic 327 00:17:02,230 --> 00:16:59,930 Kings were to rule as God's 328 00:17:04,650 --> 00:17:02,240 representative on earth if you can 329 00:17:08,860 --> 00:17:04,660 imagine we call them the the rex mundi 330 00:17:10,210 --> 00:17:08,870 the Kings over the terrestrial earth now 331 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:10,220 it's alright for them to say that they 332 00:17:14,260 --> 00:17:11,810 were kings but they have to have some 333 00:17:17,410 --> 00:17:14,270 proof of being of the world right yeah 334 00:17:19,090 --> 00:17:17,420 and the proof of that was to have say 335 00:17:22,090 --> 00:17:19,100 the Ark of the Covenant or the 336 00:17:25,540 --> 00:17:22,100 tabernacle furnishings because the Ark 337 00:17:28,510 --> 00:17:25,550 of the Covenant was the residence of God 338 00:17:30,630 --> 00:17:28,520 on earth and that was their proof that 339 00:17:33,340 --> 00:17:30,640 they were the divinely appointed 340 00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:33,350 sovereigns to rule over the nations of 341 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:38,020 Earth now since that time that 342 00:17:43,810 --> 00:17:40,970 tabernacle or the tabernacle furnishings 343 00:17:46,900 --> 00:17:43,820 has been the proof of the Kings that 344 00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:46,910 they are the true legitimate sovereigns 345 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:50,120 to rule over the earth without that they 346 00:17:54,490 --> 00:17:51,890 can make a claim they can say that their 347 00:17:56,290 --> 00:17:54,500 King but that is this certification that 348 00:18:08,760 --> 00:17:56,300 they are they actually divinely 349 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:10,900 if I'm not mistaken are you saying that 350 00:18:17,740 --> 00:18:15,050 whoever hole those items is basically in 351 00:18:19,330 --> 00:18:17,750 control that's it it's not so much 352 00:18:21,460 --> 00:18:19,340 basically controlled but they're able to 353 00:18:25,090 --> 00:18:21,470 use it as a type of certification that 354 00:18:28,270 --> 00:18:25,100 their claim of kingship is correct now 355 00:18:29,950 --> 00:18:28,280 as you know in the history of the 356 00:18:33,610 --> 00:18:29,960 European royal families there's always 357 00:18:36,610 --> 00:18:33,620 been a hierarchy the Hapsburgs from 358 00:18:39,460 --> 00:18:36,620 about the 16th century were the most 359 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:39,470 senior house they were the king of the 360 00:18:43,660 --> 00:18:40,520 Emperor's of the Holy Roman Empire 361 00:18:48,730 --> 00:18:43,670 though the kings of Jerusalem and for 362 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:48,740 them this treasure was kept that was 363 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:51,280 their legitimate proof that they were 364 00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:54,170 the senior or the rulers of the 365 00:19:00,340 --> 00:18:57,530 terrestrial world the next in line was 366 00:19:03,190 --> 00:19:00,350 the Stuart Kings and then we have from 367 00:19:07,649 --> 00:19:03,200 their downwards in seniority the other 368 00:19:13,899 --> 00:19:11,049 it's because of that certification of 369 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:13,909 being a divine sovereign is why 370 00:19:19,899 --> 00:19:16,129 everybody has been searching for this 371 00:19:21,849 --> 00:19:19,909 treasure but one of the the problems 372 00:19:24,580 --> 00:19:21,859 have been over history is there hasn't 373 00:19:26,529 --> 00:19:24,590 actually been one group of this treasure 374 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:26,539 because if you know the history of the 375 00:19:32,950 --> 00:19:29,570 Temple of Jerusalem it's been looted a 376 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:32,960 number of times over history probably we 377 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:35,809 have six or seven major looting events 378 00:19:41,859 --> 00:19:38,720 started off with the Babylonians they 379 00:19:42,369 --> 00:19:41,869 took it but each time the temple had 380 00:19:44,919 --> 00:19:42,379 been looted 381 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:44,929 it'd been restocked with a new set of 382 00:19:50,349 --> 00:19:46,970 treasure or the new set of furniture I 383 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:50,359 should say each one of these is indeed 384 00:19:54,909 --> 00:19:52,210 the treasure of the Temple of Jerusalem 385 00:19:57,729 --> 00:19:54,919 but there's only being ever one that's 386 00:20:01,539 --> 00:19:57,739 been the correct one to certify who is 387 00:20:03,879 --> 00:20:01,549 the true divine sovereign on earth that 388 00:20:07,450 --> 00:20:03,889 one disappeared very early in history as 389 00:20:09,489 --> 00:20:07,460 recorded in all its recorded in the 390 00:20:13,839 --> 00:20:09,499 Bible it's recorded in a lot of the 391 00:20:16,779 --> 00:20:13,849 Jewish Michener's that the Solomon 392 00:20:18,999 --> 00:20:16,789 ordered the treasure in the Ark to be 393 00:20:21,700 --> 00:20:19,009 taken from the temple and hidden 394 00:20:23,799 --> 00:20:21,710 somewhere and we all seem to know that 395 00:20:25,210 --> 00:20:23,809 was hidden under the temple because 396 00:20:26,529 --> 00:20:25,220 people to this day are still looking 397 00:20:29,729 --> 00:20:26,539 there and there's a lot of information 398 00:20:32,139 --> 00:20:29,739 saying was hidden under the temple and 399 00:20:34,450 --> 00:20:32,149 from the research that I've identified 400 00:20:39,009 --> 00:20:34,460 this is what the Templars had followed 401 00:20:42,779 --> 00:20:39,019 to like take this treasure and remove it 402 00:20:45,969 --> 00:20:42,789 from the temple and they took it back to 403 00:20:49,599 --> 00:20:45,979 Europe and where it landed was somewhere 404 00:20:52,419 --> 00:20:49,609 in the area now known as a southern 405 00:20:55,749 --> 00:20:52,429 France or northern Spain which is 406 00:20:58,450 --> 00:20:55,759 exactly the area of really /add oh the 407 00:21:01,599 --> 00:20:58,460 difference between that and the story 408 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:01,609 from Raley's the shadow was that they 409 00:21:06,399 --> 00:21:04,580 posited that the treasure in arenes the 410 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:06,409 shadow was the hoard that was taken by 411 00:21:12,419 --> 00:21:08,330 titus that was the last set of 412 00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,429 reproductive copies made but the temple 413 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:15,679 is it it is indeed a true treasure of 414 00:21:23,590 --> 00:21:18,290 the temple but it's not the one 415 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:23,600 that denotes true divine kingship so 416 00:21:29,740 --> 00:21:26,270 you're saying it was a copies a 417 00:21:32,380 --> 00:21:29,750 duplicate well that they duplicate in 418 00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:32,390 the fact it's not the original type it 419 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:34,580 was indeed treasure temples they were 420 00:21:40,060 --> 00:21:36,770 made by the are jewish artisans at the 421 00:21:41,860 --> 00:21:40,070 time they're correct but as you know in 422 00:21:44,310 --> 00:21:41,870 his these are the ones that we see 423 00:21:47,980 --> 00:21:44,320 depicted on the arch of Titus in Paris 424 00:21:50,020 --> 00:21:47,990 that's he got the ark Titus yeah it 425 00:21:53,530 --> 00:21:50,030 exactly yes that's the last set of 426 00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:53,540 copies or furnishings that was made by 427 00:22:00,430 --> 00:21:56,690 the Jewish artisans for the temple after 428 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:00,440 had a after headed beam raided and 429 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:03,850 looted the previous time histories 430 00:22:09,940 --> 00:22:06,770 indicates that there's about six or 431 00:22:12,460 --> 00:22:09,950 seven of these reproductive sets that 432 00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:12,470 have been made they are truly the 433 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:14,570 treasure of the temple but they're not 434 00:22:17,830 --> 00:22:16,490 the original ones from the tabernacle 435 00:22:20,230 --> 00:22:17,840 it's the original ones from the 436 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:20,240 tabernacle containing the ark you know 437 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:22,570 within the RPO the tablets of the law 438 00:22:29,470 --> 00:22:27,170 the the the blooming rod of Aaron the 439 00:22:33,850 --> 00:22:29,480 press plate those are the original ones 440 00:22:35,140 --> 00:22:33,860 that denote the true sovereign and the 441 00:22:37,030 --> 00:22:35,150 blessing from God through all the 442 00:22:40,750 --> 00:22:37,040 nations and those are the only ones that 443 00:22:44,340 --> 00:22:40,760 can be used to prove your divine 444 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:49,840 so I guess thus the reason why it's so 445 00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:54,310 well hidden is because what if I stole 446 00:23:02,770 --> 00:22:57,380 the treasure would that mean mean that 447 00:23:06,670 --> 00:23:02,780 I'm entitled to the to the kingship well 448 00:23:09,910 --> 00:23:06,680 it wouldn't posture who's stolen the 449 00:23:11,470 --> 00:23:09,920 treasure well the history is also 450 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:11,480 indicated there's been another people 451 00:23:16,300 --> 00:23:14,090 who've tried it want to be more most 452 00:23:19,260 --> 00:23:16,310 familiar with the Pierre Plantard 453 00:23:22,570 --> 00:23:19,270 he put together a number of false 454 00:23:24,460 --> 00:23:22,580 genealogies inferring that here was of 455 00:23:28,660 --> 00:23:24,470 the line back through the mirror vini 456 00:23:30,710 --> 00:23:28,670 ins it seems of what his idea was was 457 00:23:33,490 --> 00:23:30,720 hopefully to try and 458 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:33,500 grab hold of the cachet and then 459 00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:36,330 announce that was his proof to be true 460 00:23:47,570 --> 00:23:44,159 royalty and PR plant part as some of the 461 00:23:49,789 --> 00:23:47,580 listeners know was once purported to be 462 00:23:52,580 --> 00:23:49,799 the Grand Master of the Priory of Zion 463 00:23:55,789 --> 00:23:52,590 and I think he died what was it late 70s 464 00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:55,799 I think was into the IEDs he died but 465 00:24:02,810 --> 00:23:59,760 having said that was - yeah he he's not 466 00:24:05,750 --> 00:24:02,820 the only one that's tried that same type 467 00:24:07,940 --> 00:24:05,760 of device on his being history of people 468 00:24:11,210 --> 00:24:07,950 claiming that they're type of some the 469 00:24:12,740 --> 00:24:11,220 divine or the descendants and they 470 00:24:15,710 --> 00:24:12,750 they're also been associated with 471 00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:15,720 searches to find this singular lost 472 00:24:21,980 --> 00:24:19,620 cachet that's that's all been all the 473 00:24:24,799 --> 00:24:21,990 way through history see what the thing 474 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:24,809 is and it's still going on today is that 475 00:24:30,289 --> 00:24:27,450 not only do you have to hold the hoard 476 00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:30,299 of the cachet of the original items you 477 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:33,840 must be able to prove your lead back to 478 00:24:40,659 --> 00:24:36,770 one of the original tribes of Israel 479 00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:40,669 indeed an led to believe that the 480 00:24:45,460 --> 00:24:42,960 English crown the house of winter is 481 00:24:50,380 --> 00:24:45,470 still trying to prove this to the day 482 00:24:54,860 --> 00:24:50,390 this was very important for the medieval 483 00:24:58,010 --> 00:24:54,870 royal houses to keep this the best word 484 00:25:00,740 --> 00:24:58,020 is bloodline or this line of pure blood 485 00:25:05,210 --> 00:25:00,750 that they could trace back to the 486 00:25:07,250 --> 00:25:05,220 original tribes of Judah to keep the 487 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:07,260 keeper within their family that they 488 00:25:12,190 --> 00:25:09,450 were of that original line so they could 489 00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:12,200 claim eventually that they were true 490 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:14,760 divine sovereigns or kings of the world 491 00:25:19,340 --> 00:25:17,490 now the Hapsburgs did this and as you 492 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:19,350 know history is littered with attempts 493 00:25:28,690 --> 00:25:24,530 to try and keep these bloodlines pure 494 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:28,700 the one of the their kings of France 495 00:25:34,940 --> 00:25:32,490 their attempt was to marry Marie 496 00:25:37,180 --> 00:25:34,950 Antoinette who was a Habsburg that was 497 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:37,190 trying to seal the lost the bloodline 498 00:25:42,090 --> 00:25:39,730 into the French crown 499 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:42,100 as I said the English is still trying to 500 00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:45,250 do it the Hapsburgs were the original 501 00:25:50,940 --> 00:25:47,290 ones and that resulted in a terrible 502 00:25:53,670 --> 00:25:50,950 occurrence back around 1700 and that was 503 00:25:57,050 --> 00:25:53,680 the death of charles ii of spain and 504 00:26:00,050 --> 00:25:57,060 charles ii of spain was the result of 505 00:26:03,630 --> 00:26:00,060 close inter marriages in the bloodlines 506 00:26:06,060 --> 00:26:03,640 from memory it was about was 13 507 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:06,070 marriages of first cousins somewhere in 508 00:26:13,550 --> 00:26:08,530 there and he was basically a genetic 509 00:26:16,740 --> 00:26:13,560 mess he died in potent he was deformed 510 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:16,750 below intellectual par and when he died 511 00:26:27,260 --> 00:26:18,970 that was the end of the Hapsburgs in 512 00:26:30,060 --> 00:26:27,270 spain now when you were talking to 513 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:30,070 talking about Pierre Plantard a moment 514 00:26:36,450 --> 00:26:33,610 ago yeah you know he was your Pierre 515 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:36,460 plants hard to st. Clair someone in the 516 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:41,230 chat room Kathy is asking about what 517 00:26:47,550 --> 00:26:43,330 about the Sinclair's where did they come 518 00:26:50,670 --> 00:26:47,560 into it is that is that a sort of a off 519 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:50,680 the route because of plant art or is 520 00:26:55,290 --> 00:26:53,460 there a real Sinclair connection I 521 00:26:57,300 --> 00:26:55,300 couldn't tell you that because I'd 522 00:27:00,300 --> 00:26:57,310 really nothing the two of us in place 523 00:27:02,670 --> 00:27:00,310 because you have to imagine I was in 524 00:27:07,230 --> 00:27:02,680 Australia and I came from that direction 525 00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:07,240 and over in Australia we actually have a 526 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:10,720 lot of history of searches for this 527 00:27:16,410 --> 00:27:12,760 particular hoard or the Holy Grail 528 00:27:19,410 --> 00:27:16,420 there's been whole expeditions launched 529 00:27:21,630 --> 00:27:19,420 into the Pacific looking to find where 530 00:27:24,030 --> 00:27:21,640 it was taken to and it will hasn't only 531 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:24,040 been private people is been government's 532 00:27:29,250 --> 00:27:26,530 involved the trouble is it's only 533 00:27:31,260 --> 00:27:29,260 relatively recently with the advent of 534 00:27:35,070 --> 00:27:31,270 the internet that were able to assemble 535 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:35,080 all the information and when we do that 536 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:38,170 were able to get a large overview of 537 00:27:44,250 --> 00:27:41,170 what was going on in particularly with 538 00:27:45,870 --> 00:27:44,260 searches for this particular hoard as I 539 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:45,880 said one of the places that has occurred 540 00:27:51,930 --> 00:27:48,760 was Rene / Chateau and you might say 541 00:27:53,140 --> 00:27:51,940 well no it's not it can't be we've got a 542 00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:53,150 named person 543 00:27:58,380 --> 00:27:56,210 like barring guests on the air who found 544 00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:58,390 some documents 545 00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:02,000 there's descriptions what to look for 546 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:03,950 there's a treasure somewhere there it 547 00:28:08,650 --> 00:28:07,130 can't be anywhere else but the trouble 548 00:28:11,890 --> 00:28:08,660 is when you come from another direction 549 00:28:15,790 --> 00:28:11,900 and not starting it really to the shadow 550 00:28:17,860 --> 00:28:15,800 you begin to see a few more things then 551 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:17,870 one of them is that that's actually not 552 00:28:25,419 --> 00:28:22,460 a unique story in fact in part of the 553 00:28:28,660 --> 00:28:25,429 research we visited all the places where 554 00:28:32,590 --> 00:28:28,670 the same story was being told that a 555 00:28:33,910 --> 00:28:32,600 person had died it's always a man I have 556 00:28:38,110 --> 00:28:33,920 an encounter that there's been a woman 557 00:28:41,650 --> 00:28:38,120 so far he's leaving directions sometimes 558 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:41,660 a map sometimes just verbal directions 559 00:28:48,850 --> 00:28:46,010 or in comprehensible directions to find 560 00:28:51,730 --> 00:28:48,860 some type of treasure it's generally 561 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:51,740 said to be a biblical or Church treasure 562 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:54,530 and it's also said to be guarded by some 563 00:28:58,390 --> 00:28:57,290 type of society or hierarchy or 564 00:29:01,150 --> 00:28:58,400 something like that 565 00:29:03,850 --> 00:29:01,160 the story of round eyes the shadows was 566 00:29:05,470 --> 00:29:03,860 found to be not unique at all in fact I 567 00:29:08,140 --> 00:29:05,480 could probably rattle off the top of my 568 00:29:12,070 --> 00:29:08,150 head nine other examples where the same 569 00:29:15,910 --> 00:29:12,080 story was being told but the names the 570 00:29:18,010 --> 00:29:15,920 dates the locations will all change it 571 00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:18,020 doesn't mean that it's a faker it didn't 572 00:29:23,710 --> 00:29:20,600 happen it just meant that things have 573 00:29:26,650 --> 00:29:23,720 been slightly changed over time that 574 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:26,660 people have assumed that their area was 575 00:29:31,870 --> 00:29:29,090 the correct place or they took the clues 576 00:29:33,910 --> 00:29:31,880 that they couldn't understand or misread 577 00:29:35,230 --> 00:29:33,920 because of the difference between the 578 00:29:37,990 --> 00:29:35,240 qualitative and the quantitative 579 00:29:39,580 --> 00:29:38,000 description and try to impose the clues 580 00:29:41,980 --> 00:29:39,590 that they had in the area they had 581 00:29:43,660 --> 00:29:41,990 that's what it meant but when we go back 582 00:29:46,690 --> 00:29:43,670 and if we could probably do an exercise 583 00:29:50,049 --> 00:29:46,700 to go back from renée's less show we 584 00:29:51,580 --> 00:29:50,059 could then visit some other places where 585 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:51,590 this occurred we could actually follow 586 00:29:55,570 --> 00:29:54,050 the actual clues that were supposed to 587 00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,580 be followed from around Iceland shadowed 588 00:30:04,070 --> 00:29:58,640 if we said put a line under everything 589 00:30:12,150 --> 00:30:09,270 mmm now when you're talking about this 590 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:12,160 on your story you know those familiar 591 00:30:19,910 --> 00:30:16,330 with this mystery are very familiar with 592 00:30:25,650 --> 00:30:19,920 who that is but he was a priest that was 593 00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:25,660 stationed at the at the sort of remote 594 00:30:32,460 --> 00:30:28,630 outpost of this little village raishin 595 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:32,470 to Joe in the late 1800s Early 1900s and 596 00:30:39,270 --> 00:30:36,250 he purported to have found something of 597 00:30:41,790 --> 00:30:39,280 great value we don't know whether it was 598 00:30:46,170 --> 00:30:41,800 a treasure or whether it was documents 599 00:30:48,900 --> 00:30:46,180 now I did speak with a woman an elderly 600 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:48,910 woman in France who's not been made 601 00:30:55,410 --> 00:30:51,850 public you know she was the sort of 602 00:30:58,230 --> 00:30:55,420 adopted daughter of Marie denarnaud who 603 00:31:01,770 --> 00:30:58,240 was the housekeeper or you know possible 604 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:01,780 consort of the priests barons they saw 605 00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:06,010 her and she said that she helped Murray 606 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:09,040 after Sonya's death and before Marie's 607 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:11,290 death obviously you know I think she 608 00:31:18,210 --> 00:31:14,650 died in 1953 she helped Murray destroy 609 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:18,220 some documents and I says oh my gosh 610 00:31:22,050 --> 00:31:20,290 I said oh my gosh I said don't you wish 611 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:22,060 now that you know you hadn't destroyed 612 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:24,310 them and she said oh no no no she's 613 00:31:29,700 --> 00:31:26,490 because they were against the church and 614 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:29,710 so I you know I wondered very much you 615 00:31:35,370 --> 00:31:33,010 know what it was that those documents 616 00:31:39,630 --> 00:31:35,380 were but perhaps they did have something 617 00:31:42,210 --> 00:31:39,640 to do with the location of the temple 618 00:31:44,370 --> 00:31:42,220 treasure that we're talking about though 619 00:31:46,740 --> 00:31:44,380 they probably did but one of the 620 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:46,750 problems is we found it they haven't 621 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:50,050 been unique across the world there's 622 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:52,890 been closed documents copies 623 00:31:59,850 --> 00:31:56,650 reproductions it was one of the worst 624 00:32:01,650 --> 00:31:59,860 kept secrets in the world about a large 625 00:32:04,050 --> 00:32:01,660 treasure that got lost in fact we still 626 00:32:06,990 --> 00:32:04,060 hear it today in the the echoes of it 627 00:32:09,390 --> 00:32:07,000 that the Masons are in trap in charge of 628 00:32:11,790 --> 00:32:09,400 some type of treasure that's the that's 629 00:32:14,550 --> 00:32:11,800 the terminal point we are there and if 630 00:32:16,259 --> 00:32:14,560 you think that rumors are miss they have 631 00:32:17,940 --> 00:32:16,269 some basis in history 632 00:32:20,190 --> 00:32:17,950 all we have to do is find the original 633 00:32:22,409 --> 00:32:20,200 event that perhaps caused these legends 634 00:32:24,209 --> 00:32:22,419 or rumors and then we recognize what 635 00:32:27,089 --> 00:32:24,219 going on we get the context of what 636 00:32:30,989 --> 00:32:27,099 going on then if we go from Brandeis the 637 00:32:33,659 --> 00:32:30,999 shadow one of the the clues of Rene's 638 00:32:37,199 --> 00:32:33,669 the shadow is persons shepherds of 639 00:32:38,699 --> 00:32:37,209 Arcadia is painting others there's 640 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:38,709 actually three paintings nominated 641 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:42,129 shepherds of Arcadia Hermits at Anthony 642 00:32:52,499 --> 00:32:46,809 and some type of undisclosed image of 643 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:52,509 pope celestine v if you look at that you 644 00:32:55,469 --> 00:32:53,919 say the ship is of acadia have you 645 00:32:58,589 --> 00:32:55,479 actually studied the Shepherd's of 646 00:33:01,169 --> 00:32:58,599 Arcadia yeah I know everybody looks at 647 00:33:03,509 --> 00:33:01,179 it but there's actually a message in it 648 00:33:07,799 --> 00:33:03,519 and it's a pretty simple message once 649 00:33:09,359 --> 00:33:07,809 you stand back and have a look at it hmm 650 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:09,369 I have it hanging in my living room 651 00:33:15,419 --> 00:33:12,570 right now not the originals of course 652 00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:15,429 because I have a copy of it hanging in 653 00:33:20,819 --> 00:33:18,849 in on my wall you know looked at it many 654 00:33:23,759 --> 00:33:20,829 many times and of course as so many 655 00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:23,769 people have now for those of you who may 656 00:33:30,989 --> 00:33:27,609 not be familiar the painting is by 657 00:33:32,519 --> 00:33:30,999 Nicolas Poussin pou s si n if you want 658 00:33:38,069 --> 00:33:32,529 to look it up it's called the Shepherd's 659 00:33:42,349 --> 00:33:38,079 of Arcadia and in the in the picture is 660 00:33:44,519 --> 00:33:42,359 a prominent image of the tomb and 661 00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:44,529 shepherds standing around it including a 662 00:33:50,999 --> 00:33:48,539 woman so now you're talking about 663 00:33:52,739 --> 00:33:51,009 there's a message in it but the message 664 00:33:54,509 --> 00:33:52,749 that you're talking about is not the 665 00:33:58,319 --> 00:33:54,519 message that's inscribed on their tomb 666 00:34:00,419 --> 00:33:58,329 which is at in Arcadia pego yeah 667 00:34:02,969 --> 00:34:00,429 but you're talking about something 668 00:34:05,249 --> 00:34:02,979 actually in the picture there's 669 00:34:06,569 --> 00:34:05,259 something in the picture and it was a 670 00:34:08,309 --> 00:34:06,579 bit of a surprise for the prior 671 00:34:10,980 --> 00:34:08,319 assignments pointed out if you look at 672 00:34:14,309 --> 00:34:10,990 the colors of the robes of the people 673 00:34:16,019 --> 00:34:14,319 standing in the picture if you have red 674 00:34:18,690 --> 00:34:16,029 and yellow and what appears to be white 675 00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:18,700 and black they're just the colors of the 676 00:34:25,619 --> 00:34:22,510 Heraklion process for alchemy before 677 00:34:29,190 --> 00:34:25,629 symbolic colors you might also notice 678 00:34:30,619 --> 00:34:29,200 that they're grouped also red in yellow 679 00:34:33,839 --> 00:34:30,629 on one 680 00:34:34,379 --> 00:34:33,849 the white and the black or dark blue on 681 00:34:38,129 --> 00:34:34,389 the other 682 00:34:40,919 --> 00:34:38,139 that's a meaning for the conjunction of 683 00:34:44,309 --> 00:34:40,929 the opposites the cony empty o opposite 684 00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:44,319 room and that is the actual meaning put 685 00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:47,649 into the the picture by Nicolas Poussin 686 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:49,839 it was probably a bit of a joke played 687 00:34:54,180 --> 00:34:52,450 on Cardinal Ross Pig Leo seemed to hang 688 00:34:57,660 --> 00:34:54,190 on his wall people had probably come in 689 00:34:59,460 --> 00:34:57,670 there and see this heretical our 690 00:35:02,309 --> 00:34:59,470 chemical message hanging on the wall had 691 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:02,319 probably try not to laugh but that 692 00:35:08,700 --> 00:35:06,790 relates in itself to the alchemical idea 693 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:08,710 that the conjunction of the opposites is 694 00:35:15,390 --> 00:35:12,130 a master key I won't get into it now 695 00:35:17,789 --> 00:35:15,400 because it's a bit fast but it also 696 00:35:20,220 --> 00:35:17,799 relates to four ancient stars known as 697 00:35:23,069 --> 00:35:20,230 the Tetra moths or the royal stars that 698 00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:23,079 mark the change of the seasons and these 699 00:35:27,720 --> 00:35:25,450 are actually grouped in opposites and 700 00:35:29,940 --> 00:35:27,730 their colours match that to reading 701 00:35:32,789 --> 00:35:29,950 yellow and the black and white they're 702 00:35:36,299 --> 00:35:32,799 given colors and that's a type of master 703 00:35:41,099 --> 00:35:36,309 key needed to find where this treasure 704 00:35:44,250 --> 00:35:41,109 was and what have to point out we we 705 00:35:46,530 --> 00:35:44,260 found a location where that master key 706 00:35:49,049 --> 00:35:46,540 was used to produce a latitude and 707 00:35:51,270 --> 00:35:49,059 longitude we also found out that a 708 00:35:56,309 --> 00:35:51,280 location had been visited many many 709 00:35:58,770 --> 00:35:56,319 times since 1848 people using what was 710 00:36:01,710 --> 00:35:58,780 an original set of documents and 711 00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,720 directions similar similar to the form 712 00:36:07,289 --> 00:36:03,599 that you've seen for Renee's the shadow 713 00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:07,299 to visit this location and look for what 714 00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:09,369 in all intensive purposes are said to 715 00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:11,710 being a cachet of the lost treasure of 716 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:16,059 the Temple of Jerusalem now one of the 717 00:36:22,950 --> 00:36:20,530 things if you look out just yeah no go 718 00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:22,960 ahead okay I was just about so you 719 00:36:28,250 --> 00:36:24,160 wanted to say what I was going to ask 720 00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,260 about haha who knows if the area so be 721 00:36:33,870 --> 00:36:30,880 one of the things you look at is Renee's 722 00:36:36,750 --> 00:36:33,880 the shadow is that is it we know of a 723 00:36:39,780 --> 00:36:36,760 few clues we're given the that the 724 00:36:42,690 --> 00:36:39,790 Shepherd's of Arcadia was a clue now for 725 00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:42,700 some unknown reason in the Holy Blood 726 00:36:46,309 --> 00:36:43,619 and the Holy Grail 727 00:36:48,989 --> 00:36:46,319 was pointed out that over in England 728 00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:48,999 there's a copy of this 729 00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:51,910 it's the known as a shepherd's monument 730 00:36:58,710 --> 00:36:54,599 and that's in Shugborough Hall 731 00:36:59,999 --> 00:36:58,720 unfortunately the all investigation in 732 00:37:02,670 --> 00:37:00,009 the Holy Blood my grant me out to talk 733 00:37:06,539 --> 00:37:02,680 about it's about half a page it makes 734 00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:06,549 mention that there's Shanker Hall Lord 735 00:37:11,460 --> 00:37:09,729 George Anson knows owned it it was set 736 00:37:14,039 --> 00:37:11,470 up it's some type of mysterious there's 737 00:37:16,650 --> 00:37:14,049 a there's a inscription on the bottom 738 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:16,660 that's never been sold but that's all 739 00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:20,410 its ever all its ever went into them the 740 00:37:27,420 --> 00:37:25,599 problem being is that if you think if 741 00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:27,430 you're looking at a set of clues and one 742 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:29,529 of the set of the clues is that Poussin 743 00:37:34,079 --> 00:37:31,450 shepherds of Arcadia is somehow 744 00:37:38,089 --> 00:37:34,089 important realistically you should do a 745 00:37:40,769 --> 00:37:38,099 bit more investigation into any type of 746 00:37:43,559 --> 00:37:40,779 exposition of the Shepherd's of Arcadia 747 00:37:46,259 --> 00:37:43,569 in particular the one at shugged Rahal 748 00:37:49,859 --> 00:37:46,269 there's actually two in England there's 749 00:37:51,299 --> 00:37:49,869 another one in a place called Esther 750 00:37:53,789 --> 00:37:51,309 place which is in Surrey it's called 751 00:37:55,529 --> 00:37:53,799 Pelham's urn and that was a that's 752 00:37:58,079 --> 00:37:55,539 another copy of the Shepherd's of 753 00:38:00,479 --> 00:37:58,089 Arcadia it's a stone monument was 754 00:38:04,729 --> 00:38:00,489 erected for the funeral of Henry Pelham 755 00:38:08,459 --> 00:38:04,739 about 1746 that one's not important 756 00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:08,469 important one is the one over in shock 757 00:38:12,359 --> 00:38:10,900 for a halt because when we look at 758 00:38:15,150 --> 00:38:12,369 another of the clues from an ageless 759 00:38:17,130 --> 00:38:15,160 shadow that some type of painting called 760 00:38:19,499 --> 00:38:17,140 the Hermit sent Anthony is also 761 00:38:22,079 --> 00:38:19,509 important we find that Shugborough Hall 762 00:38:25,579 --> 00:38:22,089 had its own version of a 10 years 763 00:38:28,739 --> 00:38:25,589 painting and it has sent Anthony Eamon 764 00:38:31,019 --> 00:38:28,749 it's not an original 10 years we know it 765 00:38:33,269 --> 00:38:31,029 was done by Margaret Koch she was an 766 00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:33,279 accomplished artist and she put an extra 767 00:38:39,029 --> 00:38:36,460 messaging to it also and the message is 768 00:38:41,849 --> 00:38:39,039 a very very badly drawn set of rocks 769 00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:41,859 which is also a trumpet oil for a bear 770 00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:45,089 that they're being symbol for the 771 00:38:53,209 --> 00:38:47,650 Acadians so when you put them together 772 00:38:57,210 --> 00:38:53,219 you have shepherds of Acadia Arcadians 773 00:39:00,630 --> 00:38:57,220 look to that and we just step across the 774 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:00,640 the ditch metaphorically from France to 775 00:39:03,809 --> 00:39:01,210 England 776 00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:03,819 and we look at the Shepherd's Monument 777 00:39:08,430 --> 00:39:06,400 now what a lot of people and the 778 00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:08,440 Chapmans monument it's interesting to 779 00:39:12,710 --> 00:39:10,720 note that it's the same image as in the 780 00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:12,720 Poussin painting but it's in Reverse 781 00:39:18,329 --> 00:39:15,210 it's in Reverse 782 00:39:21,150 --> 00:39:18,339 one suggestion is that could mean 783 00:39:23,910 --> 00:39:21,160 nothing because when people copied a lot 784 00:39:25,859 --> 00:39:23,920 of these monuments all they could do was 785 00:39:28,500 --> 00:39:25,869 using cravings and cravings were always 786 00:39:30,540 --> 00:39:28,510 the reverse of the original painting 787 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:30,550 it's just the way the painting process 788 00:39:35,970 --> 00:39:32,170 coming up they're just wanted cheap 789 00:39:37,020 --> 00:39:35,980 engraving I'll say Poussin's original 790 00:39:40,140 --> 00:39:37,030 and if you noticed a lot of the 791 00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:40,150 engravings are in Reverse but the reason 792 00:39:43,770 --> 00:39:42,099 was the Shepherds monuments a lot taller 793 00:39:46,950 --> 00:39:43,780 and thinner as it has a few additions to 794 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:46,960 it was made to copy something else that 795 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:48,760 we've already identified that was a 796 00:39:54,059 --> 00:39:51,849 Spanish map a Spanish map suggested on 797 00:39:56,910 --> 00:39:54,069 one side a standing shape that looked 798 00:39:59,490 --> 00:39:56,920 like a woman and so it's now known that 799 00:40:01,620 --> 00:39:59,500 the Shepherd's monument was to 800 00:40:05,490 --> 00:40:01,630 encapsulate the details contained on 801 00:40:08,130 --> 00:40:05,500 this Spanish map and make it a permanent 802 00:40:09,900 --> 00:40:08,140 version so the information was never 803 00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:09,910 lost down on the bottom 804 00:40:19,410 --> 00:40:16,260 the inscription DMM could be a standard 805 00:40:22,950 --> 00:40:19,420 funeral except torsion to the god side 806 00:40:25,950 --> 00:40:22,960 disease manifests could also be degrees 807 00:40:28,770 --> 00:40:25,960 minutes because if you think about to 808 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:28,780 find something you need three things you 809 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:31,210 know the starting point you need a 810 00:40:37,380 --> 00:40:34,450 direction ahead and you also need what 811 00:40:40,109 --> 00:40:37,390 you're going to find so all the way 812 00:40:43,230 --> 00:40:40,119 through we do need a starting point and 813 00:40:45,359 --> 00:40:43,240 the starting point has always been a in 814 00:40:48,839 --> 00:40:45,369 fact the map we found was always there 815 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:48,849 we found five or six different copies of 816 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:53,050 the maps they all talked about the same 817 00:41:00,120 --> 00:40:57,010 location the thing is is you have to get 818 00:41:02,700 --> 00:41:00,130 the context of what is looked at once 819 00:41:07,380 --> 00:41:02,710 you identify the context the clues 820 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,390 become very easy one of the clues or 821 00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:10,000 directions for Rhenish the shadow is 822 00:41:17,460 --> 00:41:10,680 that 823 00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:17,470 person in ten years old the key of peace 824 00:41:24,329 --> 00:41:21,690 and it ends with blue apples 825 00:41:27,569 --> 00:41:24,339 everybody's pondered over that for a 826 00:41:29,789 --> 00:41:27,579 while what we did as an experiment was 827 00:41:34,020 --> 00:41:29,799 put that back into English I would say 828 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:34,030 and then back into Latin and we 829 00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:37,180 discovered that the words apples and 830 00:41:47,579 --> 00:41:44,260 blue could also mean sea and fruit in 831 00:41:51,539 --> 00:41:47,589 Latin when it's retranslated back from 832 00:41:54,270 --> 00:41:51,549 Latin we get that that you solve it to 833 00:41:55,890 --> 00:41:54,280 get the fruit of a South fruit of the 834 00:41:58,910 --> 00:41:55,900 sea which turned out to be a South 835 00:42:03,270 --> 00:41:58,920 Pacific island and believe it or not 836 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:03,280 since 1848 a number a number of 837 00:42:07,980 --> 00:42:05,200 expeditions have been heading towards a 838 00:42:12,900 --> 00:42:07,990 South Sea Island looking for the 839 00:42:16,020 --> 00:42:12,910 treasure when we went back to Renee's 840 00:42:18,380 --> 00:42:16,030 with shadows so on that visit can i yeah 841 00:42:21,750 --> 00:42:18,390 can I jump in real quick so so the the 842 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:21,760 reference to the blue apples yeah you're 843 00:42:27,329 --> 00:42:24,130 saying basically has absolutely nothing 844 00:42:30,089 --> 00:42:27,339 to do with the fact that every January 845 00:42:32,970 --> 00:42:30,099 17th in the church at Rome Lucia toe the 846 00:42:35,900 --> 00:42:32,980 Sun shines at a certain angle and puts 847 00:42:39,839 --> 00:42:35,910 blue apples on the floor or the wall 848 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:39,849 that's is does it have anything to do 849 00:42:44,490 --> 00:42:41,770 with that at all or is that a is that a 850 00:42:47,130 --> 00:42:44,500 clue at all or is that just sort of a 851 00:42:50,339 --> 00:42:47,140 red herring it's just a sort of red 852 00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:50,349 herring that came about the blue at the 853 00:42:58,799 --> 00:42:53,200 17th of January we actually found a 854 00:43:01,789 --> 00:42:58,809 report - that originated around 1762 855 00:43:04,730 --> 00:43:01,799 after the death of George Hansen and the 856 00:43:08,789 --> 00:43:04,740 17th of January when was when an 857 00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,799 expedition launched by the the British 858 00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:11,200 government to recover the treasure was 859 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:15,750 actually on the islands we did run a 860 00:43:24,030 --> 00:43:21,130 astronomical an astronomical program for 861 00:43:26,030 --> 00:43:24,040 that date it indicated 862 00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:26,040 the South Sea longitude and latitude 863 00:43:34,650 --> 00:43:29,609 that the Sun and a number of planets 864 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:34,660 then all descended over the horizon in 865 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:37,630 one big line whether that was a pointer 866 00:43:41,790 --> 00:43:39,490 or not we don't know but it seems to be 867 00:43:43,500 --> 00:43:41,800 some type of thing that is what we 868 00:43:47,700 --> 00:43:43,510 understood that the 17th of January 869 00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:47,710 meant it was the particular date that an 870 00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:49,450 expedition launched but the English 871 00:43:54,450 --> 00:43:52,150 government was on at the location when 872 00:43:56,970 --> 00:43:54,460 everything went wrong the trouble is 873 00:44:00,120 --> 00:43:56,980 there was a whole heap of stories that 874 00:44:02,970 --> 00:44:00,130 are up there after about 1762 that 875 00:44:05,370 --> 00:44:02,980 spread out across the world down where I 876 00:44:07,470 --> 00:44:05,380 am in Australia we've even got our own 877 00:44:10,410 --> 00:44:07,480 versions of it and again they talk about 878 00:44:13,260 --> 00:44:10,420 the same thing that a person died they 879 00:44:15,150 --> 00:44:13,270 they've left clues directions and a map 880 00:44:17,550 --> 00:44:15,160 to find a treasure it's some type of big 881 00:44:19,590 --> 00:44:17,560 church treasure and I've even we even 882 00:44:22,050 --> 00:44:19,600 tracked people searching for it in 883 00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:22,060 Australia there's a place down on the 884 00:44:27,090 --> 00:44:24,310 bottom part called Queen's cleft and 885 00:44:28,980 --> 00:44:27,100 when we got hold of a Spanish map we 886 00:44:31,590 --> 00:44:28,990 matched up the location there of the 887 00:44:33,660 --> 00:44:31,600 Spanish map it all came back one of the 888 00:44:43,950 --> 00:44:33,670 last places we have a look at was Wren 889 00:44:46,260 --> 00:44:43,960 ageless shadow how do you feel that you 890 00:44:48,300 --> 00:44:46,270 know as you as you noted you know a lot 891 00:44:50,210 --> 00:44:48,310 of people have looked in the area of 892 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:50,220 rennes-le-chateau there there has been 893 00:44:55,950 --> 00:44:53,410 legends and stories that the temple the 894 00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:55,960 Templar treasure of the Templars was 895 00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,490 hidden somewhere in the region and 896 00:45:01,890 --> 00:44:59,440 people have speculated that that 897 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:01,900 treasure is the same treasure that 898 00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:03,430 you're talking about the treasure of the 899 00:45:09,900 --> 00:45:05,369 temple yeah 900 00:45:13,620 --> 00:45:09,910 is it possible that it was once there 901 00:45:16,290 --> 00:45:13,630 and has been moved that's exactly what 902 00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:16,300 happened what we were able to do was 903 00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:19,390 trace the history of the treasure we 904 00:45:24,930 --> 00:45:21,100 knew it was under the the Temple in 905 00:45:28,530 --> 00:45:24,940 Jerusalem the Templars recovered it and 906 00:45:30,780 --> 00:45:28,540 they took it to the area north of Spain 907 00:45:32,250 --> 00:45:30,790 south of France that's the area of 908 00:45:35,310 --> 00:45:32,260 rennes-le-chateau in fact they took it 909 00:45:37,829 --> 00:45:35,320 to a particular area that we call the 42 910 00:45:43,319 --> 00:45:41,160 the number 42 can be found in many many 911 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:43,329 places associated with many many stories 912 00:45:50,249 --> 00:45:47,650 regarding this treasure the particular 913 00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:50,259 thing about the 42 degree latitude is a 914 00:45:56,099 --> 00:45:53,469 unique astronomical occurrence there and 915 00:46:00,809 --> 00:45:56,109 that is that the peak summer solstice 916 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:00,819 the Sun and the moon form a 72 degree 917 00:46:06,739 --> 00:46:04,329 conjunction now if you mark that on the 918 00:46:09,779 --> 00:46:06,749 ground as the megalithic man had done 919 00:46:12,569 --> 00:46:09,789 those markers will then form Pentagon's 920 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:12,579 because 72 degrees apart a part of the 921 00:46:18,959 --> 00:46:16,170 golden section for what we understand 922 00:46:22,289 --> 00:46:18,969 that was one of the main clues around 923 00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:22,299 the medieval times of the location of 924 00:46:27,630 --> 00:46:25,930 this hoard that it was around the 42 925 00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:27,640 degree latitude where the Sun and the 926 00:46:31,650 --> 00:46:29,410 moon conjunct and you can find of 927 00:46:35,789 --> 00:46:31,660 references to that that it was held in a 928 00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:35,799 castle by warlike Knights and that it 929 00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:37,900 was some type of treasure that was 930 00:46:46,469 --> 00:46:44,650 important to Kings around that time we 931 00:46:49,620 --> 00:46:46,479 do know that the Templars were moved 932 00:46:52,410 --> 00:46:49,630 against because King Philip wanted to 933 00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:52,420 seize that treasure that was 934 00:46:58,499 --> 00:46:55,239 unsuccessful from an understanding from 935 00:47:00,569 --> 00:46:58,509 the research that they the remaining 936 00:47:03,419 --> 00:47:00,579 Templars were taken into the order of 937 00:47:08,419 --> 00:47:03,429 Santiago that was Spanish military order 938 00:47:11,279 --> 00:47:08,429 and it remained there until about 1714 939 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:11,289 we can trace the rumors of the treasures 940 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:14,410 up until then and then we come into the 941 00:47:20,459 --> 00:47:18,249 modern-day times of the last movements 942 00:47:26,009 --> 00:47:20,469 of this last remaining cachet of the 943 00:47:28,229 --> 00:47:26,019 treasure so they you're saying that the 944 00:47:30,769 --> 00:47:28,239 Templars who remained who were not 945 00:47:33,959 --> 00:47:30,779 killed you know a lot of them sort of 946 00:47:38,249 --> 00:47:33,969 scattered as what as what a lot of 947 00:47:42,329 --> 00:47:38,259 people say and then some went to enjoin 948 00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:42,339 up with the Cistercians but are you 949 00:47:48,539 --> 00:47:45,569 saying that mostly they went to Spain 950 00:47:51,210 --> 00:47:48,549 know that already in Spain that was 951 00:47:53,730 --> 00:47:51,220 Templars it's when they commander 952 00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:53,740 or fell apart they were absorbed by the 953 00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:55,450 already established Spanish military 954 00:48:02,210 --> 00:47:59,200 orders and in particularly the order of 955 00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:02,220 Santiago which were able to trace 956 00:48:09,420 --> 00:48:05,050 because we know that the person who 957 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:09,430 originally took the treasure around 1714 958 00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:12,250 from northern Spain and moved it across 959 00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:15,220 the other side of the world and that was 960 00:48:22,500 --> 00:48:18,730 that that's one of the jokes is was 961 00:48:25,260 --> 00:48:22,510 actually a night of Santiago and that's 962 00:48:28,109 --> 00:48:25,270 how we were able to trace how he had the 963 00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:28,119 treasure and how he knew about it he was 964 00:48:35,339 --> 00:48:31,410 well known his name was Captain General 965 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:35,349 Don Juan Esteban de Villa a few people 966 00:48:41,010 --> 00:48:36,970 may have heard of him because he died in 967 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:41,020 the 1715 hurricane off Florida that sunk 968 00:48:47,550 --> 00:48:44,530 a whole fleet but we were able to trace 969 00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:47,560 that he was the person that took this 970 00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:49,930 treasure away and that came through the 971 00:48:55,370 --> 00:48:52,300 research of a millionaire businessman 972 00:48:58,190 --> 00:48:55,380 named Bernhard Kaiser who did extensive 973 00:49:00,960 --> 00:48:58,200 research in the archives of Seville 974 00:49:04,470 --> 00:49:00,970 about a treasure he was trying to find 975 00:49:07,050 --> 00:49:04,480 on the island of won Fernandez what 976 00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:07,060 Bernhard Kaiser didn't know was a 977 00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:11,160 version of the story he was following is 978 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:14,650 also being told further to the west it 979 00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:17,290 was told by some Polynesian natives who 980 00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,930 actually saw the ship also the documents 981 00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:24,880 and the information Bernhard Kaiser was 982 00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:28,240 following from what we identified in 983 00:49:34,620 --> 00:49:30,880 what we can see came out of the same 984 00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:34,630 source that is the British Museum that 985 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:37,690 the story of rennes-le-chateau has come 986 00:49:43,770 --> 00:49:41,290 out of and at the moment they were 987 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:43,780 looking at how the story of Rene's the 988 00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:46,690 shadow came from England across the 989 00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:49,810 France we think we've identified it that 990 00:49:55,650 --> 00:49:52,810 it came across by a French author named 991 00:49:58,559 --> 00:49:55,660 Robert Cheruiyot he's probably not very 992 00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:58,569 familiar to some people but he had his 993 00:50:02,700 --> 00:50:00,250 own little group at the time known as 994 00:50:04,940 --> 00:50:02,710 the International treasure seekers Club 995 00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:04,950 there's a few eclectic people 996 00:50:10,910 --> 00:50:08,970 and one was a person called captain Tony 997 00:50:14,240 --> 00:50:10,920 Mangal another one was a cryptographer 998 00:50:17,390 --> 00:50:14,250 called madame de gracia another one was 999 00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:17,400 a French actress Denise excuse me a 1000 00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:18,690 minute that was the nice car vein 1001 00:50:23,380 --> 00:50:20,850 there's actually pictures of her and 1002 00:50:27,100 --> 00:50:23,390 Robert Cheruiyot at Renee's the shadow 1003 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:27,110 and when we went back and looked at 1004 00:50:33,860 --> 00:50:29,370 Shiraz book we actually found the 1005 00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:33,870 references to this lost horde they could 1006 00:50:38,810 --> 00:50:35,130 have only been put in there by somebody 1007 00:50:43,070 --> 00:50:38,820 who knew exactly what was going on so at 1008 00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:43,080 the moment we're looking at Robert 1009 00:50:45,770 --> 00:50:44,130 Cheruiyot was passed a lot of 1010 00:50:49,790 --> 00:50:45,780 information and he went across and 1011 00:50:51,770 --> 00:50:49,800 planted it on Pierre Plantard you are 1012 00:50:54,380 --> 00:50:51,780 the seed a few things because if you 1013 00:50:56,780 --> 00:50:54,390 remember all the way through Pierre 1014 00:50:59,420 --> 00:50:56,790 Plantard said the documents that you see 1015 00:51:01,280 --> 00:50:59,430 for Emma's the shadow produced by the 1016 00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:01,290 charity are based on something else 1017 00:51:08,930 --> 00:51:05,090 indeed and the charity and self said 1018 00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:08,940 it's all about longitude we all know 1019 00:51:13,580 --> 00:51:12,180 that some range the shadows basically or 1020 00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:13,590 the search for the treasure is on the 1021 00:51:19,310 --> 00:51:15,600 per s meridian because they were 1022 00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:19,320 searching for a meridian there one of 1023 00:51:25,850 --> 00:51:24,150 the clues that we looked at was that 1024 00:51:27,710 --> 00:51:25,860 there was a series of documents and 1025 00:51:30,070 --> 00:51:27,720 there was talked about how they were 1026 00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:30,080 taken to the International League of 1027 00:51:36,940 --> 00:51:33,150 booksellers at 39 great Russell Street 1028 00:51:40,460 --> 00:51:36,950 and that was actually picked up by 1029 00:51:41,900 --> 00:51:40,470 Beijing Lincoln and Lee the 39 great 1030 00:51:45,350 --> 00:51:41,910 Russell Street is opposite the British 1031 00:51:48,650 --> 00:51:45,360 Museum and what a lot of people didn't 1032 00:51:53,150 --> 00:51:48,660 know that back in the 1930s there was 1033 00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:53,160 maps published they were published in a 1034 00:51:57,950 --> 00:51:55,290 rather sneaky way they were planted on a 1035 00:52:01,070 --> 00:51:57,960 group of bachelors called going Hubert 1036 00:52:04,850 --> 00:52:01,080 Palmer over in England and these maps in 1037 00:52:07,340 --> 00:52:04,860 fact were based on the Shepherd's of 1038 00:52:09,890 --> 00:52:07,350 Arcadia in fact they are from Anson's 1039 00:52:12,830 --> 00:52:09,900 shepherds of Arcadia and the shape 1040 00:52:17,630 --> 00:52:12,840 denoted on it was actually a tracing of 1041 00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:17,640 the shepherdess from the monument what a 1042 00:52:22,700 --> 00:52:18,570 lot of people didn't 1043 00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:22,710 also is at the same time this story was 1044 00:52:28,460 --> 00:52:24,840 being put out in renée's leche a dough 1045 00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:28,470 down in Chile another story was 1046 00:52:34,850 --> 00:52:31,440 similarly planted and this one had 1047 00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:34,860 documents in the handwriting for the 1048 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:38,450 maps that again led back to chakra hall 1049 00:52:45,460 --> 00:52:41,250 Lord George Hansen and his monuments 1050 00:52:48,230 --> 00:52:45,470 they'll both put out at the same time 1051 00:52:49,970 --> 00:52:48,240 people in France could never know the 1052 00:52:51,580 --> 00:52:49,980 people in Spain the people in Spain 1053 00:52:54,740 --> 00:52:51,590 could never know other people in France 1054 00:52:56,990 --> 00:52:54,750 this in Spain the books were put out in 1055 00:53:00,140 --> 00:52:57,000 Spanish France they will put out in 1056 00:53:03,500 --> 00:53:00,150 French never the two of me it's only now 1057 00:53:06,830 --> 00:53:03,510 by the internet were able to match up 1058 00:53:15,340 --> 00:53:06,840 what was going on who was going on and 1059 00:53:18,260 --> 00:53:15,350 what exactly was going on now you're 1060 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:18,270 basically you've taken us to the idea 1061 00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:20,970 that the treasure was placed on an 1062 00:53:28,130 --> 00:53:23,970 island yes and then you're talking about 1063 00:53:31,210 --> 00:53:28,140 the Templars joining up with the Spanish 1064 00:53:37,130 --> 00:53:31,220 military and you're also talking about 1065 00:53:37,730 --> 00:53:37,140 the gentleman who was coming to the New 1066 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:37,740 World 1067 00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:40,650 is there a possibility that this 1068 00:53:46,420 --> 00:53:43,290 treasure has been brought to the New 1069 00:53:52,300 --> 00:53:50,210 all the indications was that it went 1070 00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:52,310 further than the New World 1071 00:54:02,360 --> 00:53:57,900 here it went further than you will way 1072 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:02,370 into the Pacific the trouble is when we 1073 00:54:07,310 --> 00:54:04,770 started this investigation we had a 1074 00:54:09,230 --> 00:54:07,320 location and we had to see why were all 1075 00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:09,240 these expeditions and a lot of them were 1076 00:54:13,550 --> 00:54:10,980 secret expeditions turning up from there 1077 00:54:16,060 --> 00:54:13,560 so he didn't it wasn't a normal treasure 1078 00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:16,070 hunt where we were given a set of clues 1079 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:19,140 and had to find a location I had the 1080 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:22,530 location first was an island we'll call 1081 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:25,170 a violin for the horseshoe island and 1082 00:54:29,420 --> 00:54:26,490 instead of group of islands called the 1083 00:54:31,220 --> 00:54:29,430 Trinity what we had to find was why 1084 00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,230 people were turning up there what was 1085 00:54:35,510 --> 00:54:32,400 leading them 1086 00:54:37,400 --> 00:54:35,520 to this particular location eventually 1087 00:54:39,380 --> 00:54:37,410 it was worked out because there was a 1088 00:54:42,049 --> 00:54:39,390 lot of subterfuge and suppression going 1089 00:54:44,329 --> 00:54:42,059 on to the information that are all 1090 00:54:48,109 --> 00:54:44,339 related back to a particular map a 1091 00:54:50,059 --> 00:54:48,119 Spanish map a particular copy of the 1092 00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:50,069 Spanish map which was in fact the 1093 00:54:57,799 --> 00:54:54,410 Shepards Monument and a particular exit 1094 00:55:01,099 --> 00:54:57,809 expedition that was launched in 1760 by 1095 00:55:04,010 --> 00:55:01,109 the by the British to recover the 1096 00:55:06,170 --> 00:55:04,020 treasure for the wedding of her George 1097 00:55:14,779 --> 00:55:06,180 the the third to Princess Charlotte of 1098 00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:14,789 Mecklenburg in in back since 1762 when 1099 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:17,160 the information got out after Hanson 1100 00:55:23,900 --> 00:55:20,490 died we found had been copied endlessly 1101 00:55:25,970 --> 00:55:23,910 and in a lot of places people couldn't 1102 00:55:28,900 --> 00:55:25,980 understand what they are reading and so 1103 00:55:32,269 --> 00:55:28,910 they were trying everywhere they could 1104 00:55:36,170 --> 00:55:32,279 to try and match the map the directions 1105 00:55:39,589 --> 00:55:36,180 the location and wherever they found a 1106 00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:39,599 place that looked like the map or 1107 00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:42,990 sounded like the directions or appear to 1108 00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:46,230 be the right place they searched them 1109 00:55:50,359 --> 00:55:48,180 and in these locations this is where a 1110 00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:50,369 lot of the stories come from down the 1111 00:55:55,819 --> 00:55:52,890 east coast of America there are in fact 1112 00:55:58,010 --> 00:55:55,829 a lot of places where there's versions 1113 00:56:02,599 --> 00:55:58,020 or derivatives of the stories being 1114 00:56:04,099 --> 00:56:02,609 spoken about one of the places everybody 1115 00:56:07,039 --> 00:56:04,109 is familiar with and they're already 1116 00:56:09,829 --> 00:56:07,049 familiar with now that somehow Oak 1117 00:56:11,930 --> 00:56:09,839 Island is related to remake of the show 1118 00:56:13,370 --> 00:56:11,940 they just don't know why and they say on 1119 00:56:15,470 --> 00:56:13,380 it you might find the treasure of the 1120 00:56:17,660 --> 00:56:15,480 Temple of Jerusalem there might be a 1121 00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,670 Templar treasure there's a vague 1122 00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:19,680 awareness what they don't understand is 1123 00:56:27,319 --> 00:56:23,190 why and the simple reason is that Oak 1124 00:56:29,650 --> 00:56:27,329 Island actually in geographical shape is 1125 00:56:33,109 --> 00:56:29,660 the shape that one fan and the Scion 1126 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:33,119 looked on old navel charts and when we 1127 00:56:37,490 --> 00:56:36,089 took an overlay of the Spanish map of 1128 00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:37,500 the copy of the Spanish map that we 1129 00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:40,799 found and we laid it over Oak Island the 1130 00:56:44,690 --> 00:56:42,720 location on the Spanish map where the 1131 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:44,700 treasure is supposed to be 1132 00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:47,130 matches the locations of the money pit 1133 00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:49,770 and a lot of people don't notice more 1134 00:56:55,130 --> 00:56:51,599 than one money pit there was about four 1135 00:56:57,380 --> 00:56:55,140 or five major pits and they all conform 1136 00:56:59,750 --> 00:56:57,390 to the location on the Spanish map where 1137 00:57:02,120 --> 00:56:59,760 the treasure were supposed to be but not 1138 00:57:04,190 --> 00:57:02,130 only that Oak Island wasn't the only 1139 00:57:06,859 --> 00:57:04,200 place where this was attempted there was 1140 00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:06,869 other islands in the Atlantic where the 1141 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:09,420 map was overlaid on the shape of the 1142 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:11,730 island which bought to some extent more 1143 00:57:15,740 --> 00:57:13,530 or less a resemblance of the shape of 1144 00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:15,750 the shepherdess from the answer one unit 1145 00:57:21,490 --> 00:57:17,490 where people went to look for this 1146 00:57:27,109 --> 00:57:25,010 hmm now yeah that's funny because 1147 00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,119 someone in the chat room had asked that 1148 00:57:32,569 --> 00:57:29,280 same question would about a connection 1149 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:32,579 to Oak Island yeah we always hear that I 1150 00:57:36,650 --> 00:57:34,770 mean there there are several locations 1151 00:57:38,089 --> 00:57:36,660 that you always kind of heat here in 1152 00:57:43,420 --> 00:57:38,099 connection with this story 1153 00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:43,430 Oak Island possibly Lincoln Cathedral 1154 00:57:51,550 --> 00:57:47,119 Rosslyn Chapel was those things they did 1155 00:57:54,260 --> 00:57:51,560 but it seems like very vague connections 1156 00:57:56,450 --> 00:57:54,270 they're very very connections because a 1157 00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,460 lot of the stories have been covered up 1158 00:58:01,550 --> 00:57:59,099 you have to go back to the originals and 1159 00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:01,560 sometimes it's a little bit too little 1160 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:03,359 bit hard to uncover for example 1161 00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:04,770 everybody knows the story of Oak Island 1162 00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,170 now as three people on an island they 1163 00:58:11,540 --> 00:58:10,079 see a depression they start digging they 1164 00:58:13,970 --> 00:58:11,550 can't find anything that's not actually 1165 00:58:16,550 --> 00:58:13,980 the story at all when you go back to the 1166 00:58:20,510 --> 00:58:16,560 history the story is as originally told 1167 00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,520 was that a person was walking on line 1168 00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:22,400 and they saw three trees in a triangle 1169 00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:26,160 that's one that's one pre modern day 1170 00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:28,770 version another one it was actually a 1171 00:58:33,349 --> 00:58:31,079 report that in 1870 a man turned up 1172 00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:33,359 there and he how he met the description 1173 00:58:36,829 --> 00:58:34,890 of the map was there was a very ancient 1174 00:58:40,099 --> 00:58:36,839 map that had lines on it 1175 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:40,109 around the exterior was in in laughin 1176 00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:43,530 and he had to start from a position you 1177 00:58:47,420 --> 00:58:45,240 had to sail the direction to find a 1178 00:58:48,710 --> 00:58:47,430 particular shaped Island and they know 1179 00:58:50,809 --> 00:58:48,720 the island that it was supposed to look 1180 00:58:52,099 --> 00:58:50,819 for was a sort of a pipe shaped iron 1181 00:58:55,609 --> 00:58:52,109 which was again 1182 00:58:57,860 --> 00:58:55,619 I caught a copy of one answer I won 1183 00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:57,870 Fernandez and we what we do 1184 00:59:02,180 --> 00:59:00,180 now that he was just another person his 1185 00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:02,190 name was Captain Alan he had another 1186 00:59:07,100 --> 00:59:04,110 copy of this map that had been 1187 00:59:08,690 --> 00:59:07,110 circulating he's not the only one there 1188 00:59:12,890 --> 00:59:08,700 was copies of the map there's another 1189 00:59:15,590 --> 00:59:12,900 place up in Nova Scotia called [\h__\h] 1190 00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:15,600 island and on the island there's no 1191 00:59:19,130 --> 00:59:17,850 Roger I'm sorry we're gonna have to take 1192 00:59:22,100 --> 00:59:19,140 it we're gonna have to take a quick 1193 00:59:23,870 --> 00:59:22,110 break but I'm so sorry I'm so into this 1194 00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,880 we actually missed our first break about 1195 00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:24,960 half an hour ago 1196 00:59:34,100 --> 00:59:32,370 look I didn't do so whole moments 1197 00:59:35,330 --> 00:59:34,110 everyone stay tuned you're listening in 1198 00:59:37,610 --> 00:59:35,340 stay tuned you're listening to 1199 00:59:38,990 --> 00:59:37,620 night-vision radio and my guest run for 1200 00:59:41,350 --> 00:59:39,000 story as we're talking about the holy 1201 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:41,360 grail stand by 1202 00:59:45,950 --> 00:59:43,650 welcome back to night vision everyone 1203 00:59:48,020 --> 00:59:45,960 I'm your host Renee Barnett tonight my 1204 00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:48,030 guest is Ron Pistorius we're talking 1205 00:59:52,280 --> 00:59:49,890 about the Holy Grail we're talking about 1206 00:59:55,070 --> 00:59:52,290 the great treasure of the Temple of 1207 00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:55,080 Solomon we're talking about the run with 1208 01:00:01,490 --> 00:59:57,210 Chateau connection the Shugborough holo 1209 01:00:02,870 --> 01:00:01,500 connection all these other connects as 1210 01:00:05,570 --> 01:00:02,880 we're exploring all the way to the new 1211 01:00:08,900 --> 01:00:05,580 world in Oak Island in Pacific Islands 1212 01:00:12,380 --> 01:00:08,910 and all kinds of stuff so gosh Ron you 1213 01:00:14,540 --> 01:00:12,390 know we're down to like the last looks 1214 01:00:16,370 --> 01:00:14,550 like 23 minutes of the show and it's 1215 01:00:19,670 --> 01:00:16,380 just wanted by so quickly I was laughing 1216 01:00:22,550 --> 01:00:19,680 during the break because I got so 1217 01:00:25,100 --> 01:00:22,560 involved I missed the first break and 1218 01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:25,110 almost missed the second one so I mean 1219 01:00:31,340 --> 01:00:27,330 this is definitely a subject that I'm 1220 01:00:36,740 --> 01:00:31,350 absolutely enamored with so in the end 1221 01:00:41,150 --> 01:00:36,750 at the end of the day where do you think 1222 01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:41,160 today the distress on that island no 1223 01:00:48,170 --> 01:00:45,660 well yeah wait yeah what no somewhere 1224 01:00:52,300 --> 01:00:48,180 down on what is it a place we call the 1225 01:00:56,420 --> 01:00:52,310 Trinity now we what we do know that 1226 01:00:59,720 --> 01:00:56,430 there was a report sent back to George 1227 01:01:02,780 --> 01:00:59,730 Anson the report actually arrived after 1228 01:01:05,900 --> 01:01:02,790 he died and it was written by his 1229 01:01:08,450 --> 01:01:05,910 commander called Cornelius Webb in all 1230 01:01:10,940 --> 01:01:08,460 the stories he is the sort of the 1231 01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,950 prototype along with an Senate bill 1232 01:01:14,569 --> 01:01:12,480 of the person who died because if you 1233 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:14,579 notice that all the stories say a person 1234 01:01:18,859 --> 01:01:16,890 who died and left directions to find 1235 01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:18,869 some type of treasure and we traced him 1236 01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:21,710 as the the archetype or the prototype of 1237 01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:25,410 this person in the story he sent back a 1238 01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:29,130 coded report it's been badly copied a 1239 01:01:32,210 --> 01:01:29,910 few times 1240 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:32,220 parts of it appear in other stories a 1241 01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:33,930 little bit of it appears in the story 1242 01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:40,559 RNA is a shadow what we know that was 1243 01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,650 the last position of the sighting of a 1244 01:01:51,170 --> 01:01:46,319 cachet of this treasure of the temple 1245 01:01:54,020 --> 01:01:51,180 and according to the report he left that 1246 01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:54,030 either on the island where he found it 1247 01:02:00,829 --> 01:01:58,130 because a tropical storm intervened or 1248 01:02:03,020 --> 01:02:00,839 another way of reading it because the we 1249 01:02:06,020 --> 01:02:03,030 worked out the report was originally in 1250 01:02:09,799 --> 01:02:06,030 Latin the modern-day copies of this 1251 01:02:11,450 --> 01:02:09,809 report they come out all backwards you 1252 01:02:13,370 --> 01:02:11,460 sort of got a blue apples effect it 1253 01:02:15,829 --> 01:02:13,380 doesn't make any sense what is actually 1254 01:02:18,289 --> 01:02:15,839 set when you put it back in the Latin 1255 01:02:21,859 --> 01:02:18,299 and Yuri translated again you get the 1256 01:02:23,900 --> 01:02:21,869 proper meaning of what's occurring and 1257 01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,910 the proper meaning says that it was 1258 01:02:27,319 --> 01:02:26,400 either put back on the island where it 1259 01:02:32,089 --> 01:02:27,329 was found 1260 01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:32,099 or was moved close by and and the 1261 01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:35,460 pointed identifies close by close by the 1262 01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:38,880 island close buying in one of another 1263 01:02:42,609 --> 01:02:41,280 Island known as the Trinity oh we 1264 01:02:44,450 --> 01:02:42,619 haven't got enough time to go in 1265 01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:44,460 expositions of the Trinity but there's 1266 01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:47,490 three islands together that appears also 1267 01:02:50,870 --> 01:02:49,290 in a lot of different stories either you 1268 01:02:52,730 --> 01:02:50,880 look for a Trinity or you look place 1269 01:02:55,819 --> 01:02:52,740 called Trinidad where you're looking for 1270 01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:55,829 three mountains it's either there or one 1271 01:03:00,950 --> 01:02:57,930 of the islands and that is the last 1272 01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:00,960 known report and we even have reports of 1273 01:03:07,030 --> 01:03:03,750 major searches in the area trying to 1274 01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:07,040 find people following this report and 1275 01:03:13,130 --> 01:03:09,540 what we're able to determine that around 1276 01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:13,140 1848 a group of four people visited the 1277 01:03:17,690 --> 01:03:15,690 cache and took some of the gold away 1278 01:03:19,849 --> 01:03:17,700 from it and from there we get another 1279 01:03:22,220 --> 01:03:19,859 group of stories coming out and we 1280 01:03:24,080 --> 01:03:22,230 traced their history back to a lot of 1281 01:03:26,210 --> 01:03:24,090 this was available down where I am in 1282 01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:26,220 Australia it just never seemed to be 1283 01:03:31,100 --> 01:03:27,870 matched up to people to the other side 1284 01:03:35,930 --> 01:03:31,110 of the world of a very large expeditions 1285 01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:35,940 including British warships we do know 1286 01:03:41,030 --> 01:03:38,700 that there's never been any reports 1287 01:03:43,250 --> 01:03:41,040 since then of any of the treasure 1288 01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:43,260 surfacing because if you get imagine if 1289 01:03:46,910 --> 01:03:44,850 someone turned up with a six foot gold 1290 01:03:49,550 --> 01:03:46,920 candelabra to be a bit of a talk about 1291 01:03:52,730 --> 01:03:49,560 it none of the items certainly have ever 1292 01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:52,740 surfaced and so we're more than 1293 01:04:00,020 --> 01:03:56,810 confident that still in the area is a 1294 01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:00,030 cachet there was one we know of that was 1295 01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:01,890 a large group of gold that was taken 1296 01:04:06,860 --> 01:04:04,320 from the potosi mint that was on the 1297 01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:06,870 shipment and another group in a smaller 1298 01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:10,140 vault let's talk about of the remaining 1299 01:04:16,850 --> 01:04:13,920 cachet of some temple items exactly what 1300 01:04:19,220 --> 01:04:16,860 they are we're not sure certainly the 1301 01:04:22,670 --> 01:04:19,230 ark wouldn't survive after all this time 1302 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:22,680 was probably rotted wood some item in it 1303 01:04:29,750 --> 01:04:25,530 called the rose we're not sure exactly 1304 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:29,760 what that is dealer whether that's some 1305 01:04:35,170 --> 01:04:32,490 type of complicated metaphor whether 1306 01:04:37,130 --> 01:04:35,180 it's a stone of some type because 1307 01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:37,140 accordingly in the Ark there was a 1308 01:04:42,350 --> 01:04:39,690 another item it was a stone a tiny stone 1309 01:04:43,850 --> 01:04:42,360 known as the shimmer it might be that it 1310 01:04:46,490 --> 01:04:43,860 seems to match up some of the 1311 01:04:49,330 --> 01:04:46,500 descriptions we'll only find out if we 1312 01:04:52,660 --> 01:04:49,340 can get and find out what this rose is 1313 01:04:57,470 --> 01:04:52,670 until then it's open to speculation 1314 01:05:02,420 --> 01:04:57,480 hopefully by my talking about this the 1315 01:05:03,980 --> 01:05:02,430 small stone what oh I'm sorry oh I was 1316 01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:03,990 gonna say what do you think though can 1317 01:05:08,240 --> 01:05:05,490 you give give me more information about 1318 01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:08,250 the stone or or isn't that all that we 1319 01:05:13,370 --> 01:05:11,370 know well we're not sure see all the 1320 01:05:16,550 --> 01:05:13,380 legends speak about some type of stone 1321 01:05:18,950 --> 01:05:16,560 that fell from heaven emerald in color 1322 01:05:23,390 --> 01:05:18,960 we know there's a matching stone to it 1323 01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:23,400 in the Kaaba for the over and years away 1324 01:05:28,940 --> 01:05:25,920 meet faith and that's a that's a black 1325 01:05:32,420 --> 01:05:28,950 stone yeah we think it's some type of 1326 01:05:36,650 --> 01:05:32,430 not about the Dome of the rock the Dome 1327 01:05:38,180 --> 01:05:36,660 of the rock is is as a big stone there's 1328 01:05:42,510 --> 01:05:38,190 about six 1329 01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:42,520 yeah what I think is right yeah I think 1330 01:05:47,579 --> 01:05:45,010 this is some type of stone that did it 1331 01:05:49,380 --> 01:05:47,589 it seems to be mixed up with the the 1332 01:05:52,019 --> 01:05:49,390 emerald stone that fell from him and 1333 01:05:53,700 --> 01:05:52,029 indeed one of the inventories and there 1334 01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:53,710 was actually a number of inventories we 1335 01:06:00,000 --> 01:05:56,260 found that listed what was in the cache 1336 01:06:02,309 --> 01:06:00,010 ah he one of them everybody would be 1337 01:06:04,470 --> 01:06:02,319 familiar with Auto ran and his search is 1338 01:06:06,329 --> 01:06:04,480 the person who wrote by him put together 1339 01:06:09,019 --> 01:06:06,339 an inventory and it talks about an 1340 01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:09,029 emerald cup that belonged to Abram that 1341 01:06:16,620 --> 01:06:12,730 came from the temple of boy I'm tending 1342 01:06:19,019 --> 01:06:16,630 to think it might be emerald cut I see 1343 01:06:21,900 --> 01:06:19,029 that the someone had just mentioned a 1344 01:06:25,890 --> 01:06:21,910 while back in the chat room they were 1345 01:06:28,109 --> 01:06:25,900 asking about you know why was Hitler so 1346 01:06:30,839 --> 01:06:28,119 involved in in looking for these sacred 1347 01:06:32,690 --> 01:06:30,849 treasures or these these things and when 1348 01:06:36,809 --> 01:06:32,700 you mentioned autorun on Iran was the 1349 01:06:39,539 --> 01:06:36,819 archaeologist who was commissioned I 1350 01:06:42,510 --> 01:06:39,549 guess by Himmler wasn't it it was by you 1351 01:06:44,190 --> 01:06:42,520 there was other Reich's true as he came 1352 01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:44,200 out of the rights to his notice for his 1353 01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:45,730 previous work and he was off two months 1354 01:06:49,799 --> 01:06:48,490 ago trying to find in particular this 1355 01:06:51,420 --> 01:06:49,809 treasure too because everybody was 1356 01:06:54,059 --> 01:06:51,430 trying to get their hands on it we even 1357 01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:54,069 found reports too that people from Spain 1358 01:06:59,309 --> 01:06:56,010 were looking for it still up around the 1359 01:07:01,319 --> 01:06:59,319 1930s that it people had to really 1360 01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:01,329 appreciate it's a bit hard now how 1361 01:07:05,549 --> 01:07:03,910 well-known and how many searches were 1362 01:07:07,019 --> 01:07:05,559 actually being conducted for this same 1363 01:07:10,589 --> 01:07:07,029 treasure all following the same 1364 01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:10,599 information and maybe we think that this 1365 01:07:17,339 --> 01:07:14,049 uh the cup this emerald cup is what's 1366 01:07:19,529 --> 01:07:17,349 been conflated over time into the Holy 1367 01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:19,539 Grail like chalice that was held by 1368 01:07:22,769 --> 01:07:20,170 Christ 1369 01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:22,779 I think it's that type of thing indeed 1370 01:07:26,370 --> 01:07:24,250 it was sought after and that's probably 1371 01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:26,380 what is the actual roads that's in the 1372 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:34,720 in the cache yeah yeah in heck does that 1373 01:07:39,089 --> 01:07:37,650 have anything to do with the Rosicrucian 1374 01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:39,099 uh-huh 1375 01:07:45,870 --> 01:07:41,890 I never got into that first symbolism of 1376 01:07:48,120 --> 01:07:45,880 the Rose NSO Rose yeah in the so2 yeah 1377 01:07:50,309 --> 01:07:48,130 an esoteric thought and we haven't got 1378 01:07:51,340 --> 01:07:50,319 time for that to go in but when we when 1379 01:07:53,020 --> 01:07:51,350 we drove in 1380 01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:53,030 the codes the codes are actually 1381 01:07:57,760 --> 01:07:55,490 basically couched and so did the report 1382 01:08:00,460 --> 01:07:57,770 from web that we're using alchemic terms 1383 01:08:02,620 --> 01:08:00,470 because everybody involved in it was 1384 01:08:05,470 --> 01:08:02,630 actually Alchemist so they were using it 1385 01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:05,480 as a universal language to talk to 1386 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:06,890 themselves 1387 01:08:12,250 --> 01:08:10,490 there's pemmican psa's in the report and 1388 01:08:14,500 --> 01:08:12,260 particularly in this rose whether it's a 1389 01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:14,510 complicated metaphor we're not sure but 1390 01:08:20,470 --> 01:08:17,920 maybe we'll find that one day hopefully 1391 01:08:23,130 --> 01:08:20,480 if cruise missile doesn't come through 1392 01:08:26,740 --> 01:08:23,140 my window from the Priory of Sion 1393 01:08:29,020 --> 01:08:26,750 everybody will start everybody will 1394 01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:29,030 start opening up on what they're holding 1395 01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:31,010 because you have to remember this is 1396 01:08:35,770 --> 01:08:32,930 what we've found coming from my 1397 01:08:37,810 --> 01:08:35,780 direction way down in Australia and what 1398 01:08:41,260 --> 01:08:37,820 we do know is people are holding on to 1399 01:08:43,630 --> 01:08:41,270 the information there's maps out there 1400 01:08:45,670 --> 01:08:43,640 we've heard references to there's copies 1401 01:08:48,310 --> 01:08:45,680 of the report we've heard references to 1402 01:08:50,530 --> 01:08:48,320 and if we can get everybody to actually 1403 01:08:52,750 --> 01:08:50,540 unlock it instead of treating it as some 1404 01:08:56,050 --> 01:08:52,760 great mystery that shouldn't be shared 1405 01:08:58,000 --> 01:08:56,060 with everybody and we'll probably end up 1406 01:09:00,730 --> 01:08:58,010 unearthing what's going to be like a 1407 01:09:02,110 --> 01:09:00,740 6-foot gold menorah and then the fun is 1408 01:09:04,860 --> 01:09:02,120 going to start when everybody starts 1409 01:09:08,670 --> 01:09:04,870 arguing it who it belongs to 1410 01:09:11,910 --> 01:09:08,680 mmm yeah absolutely now isn't it also 1411 01:09:14,380 --> 01:09:11,920 said that you know it's a belief and 1412 01:09:17,940 --> 01:09:14,390 please correct me if I'm wrong if you 1413 01:09:20,829 --> 01:09:17,950 know that if finding the temple treasure 1414 01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:20,839 and the Ark of the Covenant particularly 1415 01:09:35,849 --> 01:09:23,210 that that is going to then spark 1416 01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:38,290 this are we going when you look at 1417 01:09:42,940 --> 01:09:39,890 you've got a map and it's leading to a 1418 01:09:44,770 --> 01:09:42,950 the cachet and you're going do we really 1419 01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:44,780 want to bring this out because 1420 01:09:48,370 --> 01:09:46,730 everybody's going to be so upset because 1421 01:09:50,140 --> 01:09:48,380 you have to keep in mind for all the 1422 01:09:53,950 --> 01:09:50,150 biblical references and the meanings of 1423 01:09:58,390 --> 01:09:53,960 what may be the actual location of an 1424 01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:58,400 actual Holy Grail it's it's not we've 1425 01:10:04,060 --> 01:10:01,190 basically transcended from myth and 1426 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:04,070 legend into reality because what a lot 1427 01:10:07,540 --> 01:10:05,130 of the stuff I've been with 1428 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:07,550 - hasn't been flights of imagination 1429 01:10:13,790 --> 01:10:11,250 it's been documented history of searches 1430 01:10:16,189 --> 01:10:13,800 of British ships of copies that we know 1431 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:16,199 that have appeared from the 19th and the 1432 01:10:22,209 --> 01:10:19,050 17th century we found all the records we 1433 01:10:24,950 --> 01:10:22,219 found all the references to it and and 1434 01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:24,960 there was indeed a time when we went 1435 01:10:29,870 --> 01:10:27,840 this is we've tried to debunk a whole 1436 01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:29,880 lot of these theory and we've ended up 1437 01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:32,370 proving with finding records that a 1438 01:10:37,310 --> 01:10:35,489 shipment does indeed exist it was hidden 1439 01:10:41,060 --> 01:10:37,320 somewhere there is a map to it 1440 01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:41,070 everybody's been looking for it and now 1441 01:10:48,700 --> 01:10:43,770 that with now 2014 if we follow this 1442 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:51,560 would be amazing I would love to see 1443 01:10:54,649 --> 01:10:53,130 that in my lifetime of course I don't 1444 01:11:03,979 --> 01:10:54,659 want it to trigger the end of the world 1445 01:11:06,740 --> 01:11:03,989 or anything like it would be nice now 1446 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:06,750 you know one of the reasons that I was 1447 01:11:11,810 --> 01:11:09,810 talking about asking you about whether 1448 01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:11,820 or not it could have made it to the new 1449 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:16,199 world was because certainly the Oak 1450 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:21,120 Island legends but also just one of many 1451 01:11:28,850 --> 01:11:25,130 you know he mentioned earlier that that 1452 01:11:30,140 --> 01:11:28,860 the Masons you know had this treasure or 1453 01:11:36,010 --> 01:11:30,150 knew where this treasure wasn't 1454 01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:36,020 regarding this treasure and I know that 1455 01:11:46,459 --> 01:11:40,530 you know the the one of the I guess the 1456 01:11:49,310 --> 01:11:46,469 greatest Freemason in in America ended 1457 01:11:53,209 --> 01:11:49,320 up going down and living in that was 1458 01:11:56,110 --> 01:11:53,219 Albert Pike ended up he was on an 1459 01:11:59,030 --> 01:11:56,120 expedition he left the expedition 1460 01:12:02,750 --> 01:11:59,040 down in the middle of Arkansas deep in 1461 01:12:04,700 --> 01:12:02,760 the Ozarks where he then stayed and 1462 01:12:07,970 --> 01:12:04,710 lived out his life and he worked a lot 1463 01:12:09,590 --> 01:12:07,980 with Native Americans in that area and 1464 01:12:11,419 --> 01:12:09,600 there are a lot of you know native 1465 01:12:15,229 --> 01:12:11,429 legends I grew up in that area of the 1466 01:12:18,290 --> 01:12:15,239 country and there are a lot of legends 1467 01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:18,300 about such things at about treasures 1468 01:12:26,060 --> 01:12:18,960 coming Oh 1469 01:12:29,150 --> 01:12:26,070 I have one very close friend that is a 1470 01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:29,160 small 12 a small tribe called the katoa 1471 01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:31,980 Band of Cherokee Indians and they are 1472 01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:35,370 they have certain items which almost 1473 01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:38,100 kind of sound like might have been part 1474 01:12:43,490 --> 01:12:40,830 of that or at least items that have come 1475 01:12:46,580 --> 01:12:43,500 through their hands and I wondered 1476 01:12:49,340 --> 01:12:46,590 whether or not because there at that 1477 01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:49,350 time of course and instill really there 1478 01:12:54,830 --> 01:12:51,330 was just acres and acres millions of 1479 01:12:59,600 --> 01:12:54,840 acres of forestland mountains and tons 1480 01:13:02,750 --> 01:12:59,610 of caves and and and connected caves so 1481 01:13:05,540 --> 01:13:02,760 it would be a great hiding place and I 1482 01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:05,550 was just wondering if that would have 1483 01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:08,489 possibly been the reason that Albert 1484 01:13:13,190 --> 01:13:10,770 Pike decided to settle in that area 1485 01:13:15,110 --> 01:13:13,200 maybe he knew something was there or 1486 01:13:18,170 --> 01:13:15,120 maybe he was guarding it or maybe he was 1487 01:13:19,610 --> 01:13:18,180 looking for it there I don't know just I 1488 01:13:21,229 --> 01:13:19,620 think I think you're funded he's 1489 01:13:22,940 --> 01:13:21,239 probably looking for it because another 1490 01:13:24,910 --> 01:13:22,950 famous legend that we actually tracked 1491 01:13:27,950 --> 01:13:24,920 down was known as the Beale ciphers and 1492 01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:27,960 another one of your contacts caught 1493 01:13:33,500 --> 01:13:30,930 Lindell he was looking particularly in 1494 01:13:36,140 --> 01:13:33,510 the Jefferson and when we reverse 1495 01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:36,150 engineered the Beale ciphers we actually 1496 01:13:40,970 --> 01:13:38,880 found the area being talked about it so 1497 01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,980 it's actually three mountains known as 1498 01:13:44,990 --> 01:13:42,960 the peaks of otter and the three 1499 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:45,000 mountains were a Trinity and so we were 1500 01:13:51,380 --> 01:13:48,810 able to even by the type of the code 1501 01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,390 used and what was appeared in it and the 1502 01:13:55,190 --> 01:13:53,760 reference to that the Trinity in fact 1503 01:13:57,650 --> 01:13:55,200 that when the bill cipher was actually 1504 01:13:59,600 --> 01:13:57,660 decoded it gave a latitude and longitude 1505 01:14:01,400 --> 01:13:59,610 for the Spanish map and a particular 1506 01:14:03,650 --> 01:14:01,410 bearing the head for the three mountains 1507 01:14:05,930 --> 01:14:03,660 known as the piece of otter which were 1508 01:14:09,020 --> 01:14:05,940 eternity and actually you just recently 1509 01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:09,030 showed called Lindell that the piece of 1510 01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:11,610 water are in fact a perfect equilateral 1511 01:14:18,530 --> 01:14:14,850 triangle and Thomas Jefferson was the 1512 01:14:19,910 --> 01:14:18,540 person who surveyed that and we we 1513 01:14:22,370 --> 01:14:19,920 believe that's where the start of 1514 01:14:25,670 --> 01:14:22,380 Jefferson being involved in some type of 1515 01:14:28,700 --> 01:14:25,680 Masonic or hidden treasure as he at that 1516 01:14:31,109 --> 01:14:28,710 stage we believe he was actually using a 1517 01:14:35,399 --> 01:14:31,119 copy of this information 1518 01:14:38,609 --> 01:14:35,409 circulated in attempt to find the hidden 1519 01:14:41,549 --> 01:14:38,619 cachet but again that's okay such as big 1520 01:14:44,750 --> 01:14:41,559 mountains they're known as the piece of 1521 01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:44,760 auto they're down in Bedford Virginia 1522 01:14:50,669 --> 01:14:48,010 where the the Beale ciphers are set yeah 1523 01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:50,679 and Jefferson actually I surveyed them 1524 01:14:57,810 --> 01:14:52,570 one of them was he's thought to be the 1525 01:14:59,759 --> 01:14:57,820 largest peak in America for a while 1526 01:15:02,219 --> 01:14:59,769 discovered it wasn't but I think was 1527 01:15:05,009 --> 01:15:02,229 1831 Thomas Jefferson went and surveyed 1528 01:15:08,969 --> 01:15:05,019 those mountains and his name is actually 1529 01:15:10,830 --> 01:15:08,979 one of the occlusion need to solve the 1530 01:15:13,310 --> 01:15:10,840 code and the Beale cipher which turned 1531 01:15:17,009 --> 01:15:13,320 out to be another a fairly typical 1532 01:15:19,500 --> 01:15:17,019 Masonic code one of probably three or 1533 01:15:20,939 --> 01:15:19,510 four the same form that once you know 1534 01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:20,949 what you're looking at and how to look 1535 01:15:25,109 --> 01:15:23,530 at you just do a simple addition and it 1536 01:15:27,509 --> 01:15:25,119 gives you a latitude and longitude for 1537 01:15:30,119 --> 01:15:27,519 the copy of the Spanish map that we know 1538 01:15:32,729 --> 01:15:30,129 is circulating at the time but it's a 1539 01:15:36,209 --> 01:15:32,739 little that's another big area to get 1540 01:15:38,489 --> 01:15:36,219 into because it it's really such an area 1541 01:15:40,229 --> 01:15:38,499 how many places where we found copies of 1542 01:15:42,299 --> 01:15:40,239 this map were being used or copies of 1543 01:15:45,149 --> 01:15:42,309 the directions or a version of the 1544 01:15:48,330 --> 01:15:45,159 direction Beale ciphers Oak Island 1545 01:15:50,399 --> 01:15:48,340 Renee's less shadow a Rosalind shadow a 1546 01:15:53,279 --> 01:15:50,409 place in Japan of all places 1547 01:15:55,799 --> 01:15:53,289 it's just stupefying how a copy of it 1548 01:15:59,279 --> 01:15:55,809 got over there places in the Pacific 1549 01:16:01,350 --> 01:15:59,289 places even in I think it's um you can 1550 01:16:03,509 --> 01:16:01,360 slap evidentally at being used now 1551 01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:03,519 there's as the copies all spread out 1552 01:16:06,690 --> 01:16:11,060 [Music] 1553 01:16:16,889 --> 01:16:14,159 so interesting now this idea of the 1554 01:16:19,770 --> 01:16:16,899 three mountains so you just get that in 1555 01:16:24,479 --> 01:16:19,780 different areas of the world right we 1556 01:16:25,949 --> 01:16:24,489 found that area I see yeah there were 1557 01:16:27,989 --> 01:16:25,959 some mountains I was looking at in 1558 01:16:29,639 --> 01:16:27,999 Arkansas now I was looking at two 1559 01:16:32,449 --> 01:16:29,649 mountains but I'm gonna have to look to 1560 01:16:34,859 --> 01:16:32,459 see if there's a corresponding third one 1561 01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:34,869 it's got to be very particular it's got 1562 01:16:38,339 --> 01:16:36,369 to be in the shape they have to be in 1563 01:16:40,919 --> 01:16:38,349 the shape of a triangle and that was 1564 01:16:44,489 --> 01:16:40,929 specified right in a lot of the Masonic 1565 01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:44,499 things that they talked about it it may 1566 01:16:46,169 --> 01:16:44,800 be 1567 01:16:49,020 --> 01:16:46,179 a place to get into but there was a 1568 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:49,030 another misinterpretation between the 1569 01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:52,090 words cero in Spanish which means cipher 1570 01:17:00,330 --> 01:16:57,130 and cero ins in Spanish CEO which means 1571 01:17:01,819 --> 01:17:00,340 he'll and so it was misinterpreted where 1572 01:17:04,890 --> 01:17:01,829 it said the cipher of 1573 01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:04,900 the three points and that was a that's 1574 01:17:09,899 --> 01:17:06,340 another reference that appears he'll 1575 01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:09,909 elsewhere got changed into the hill of 1576 01:17:14,819 --> 01:17:12,250 three piece and so a lot of people 1577 01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:14,829 instead of looking for a long de to dove 1578 01:17:20,700 --> 01:17:17,650 three points they then began to look for 1579 01:17:23,549 --> 01:17:20,710 a hill of three peaks but that's another 1580 01:17:25,680 --> 01:17:23,559 branch of a Masonic idea that came off 1581 01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:25,690 we were actually finding about and 1582 01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:28,960 actually the person I mentioned Robert 1583 01:17:33,899 --> 01:17:31,300 Cheruiyot mentions in his particular 1584 01:17:37,319 --> 01:17:33,909 book that was seem to be forgotten about 1585 01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:37,329 how that the the treasure is to be found 1586 01:17:42,959 --> 01:17:40,440 on the three points 1587 01:17:46,319 --> 01:17:42,969 well this yeah the three points it's 1588 01:17:51,260 --> 01:17:46,329 under the second point and so it's again 1589 01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:51,270 just another version of and the quantity 1590 01:17:56,910 --> 01:17:53,290 qualitative versus the quantitive 1591 01:18:00,089 --> 01:17:56,920 because the point actually came down to 1592 01:18:02,729 --> 01:18:00,099 point on a map but hopefully we might 1593 01:18:04,410 --> 01:18:02,739 talk on day about the blue codes and how 1594 01:18:06,629 --> 01:18:04,420 to decode them because it's fairly easy 1595 01:18:08,910 --> 01:18:06,639 and we can all learn about the 1596 01:18:10,830 --> 01:18:08,920 difference between these Cerro trans 1597 01:18:12,990 --> 01:18:10,840 Punk these that's the cipher of the 1598 01:18:15,930 --> 01:18:13,000 three points as opposed to the Cerro 1599 01:18:17,549 --> 01:18:15,940 três pontas that's the heel of the three 1600 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:17,559 piece and the problems that it caused 1601 01:18:21,530 --> 01:18:19,449 across the world as people started 1602 01:18:27,270 --> 01:18:21,540 looking for three mountains in a 1603 01:18:30,089 --> 01:18:27,280 triangle oh gosh we're down to the last 1604 01:18:32,129 --> 01:18:30,099 five minutes and I wanna know is there 1605 01:18:35,629 --> 01:18:32,139 something you'd like to refer the 1606 01:18:38,250 --> 01:18:35,639 listeners to online or is there some 1607 01:18:41,220 --> 01:18:38,260 where that they can see some of your 1608 01:18:44,129 --> 01:18:41,230 writing they can if they just remove 1609 01:18:45,810 --> 01:18:44,139 your search sorry I all you have to do 1610 01:18:46,890 --> 01:18:45,820 is type it in Google just type in the 1611 01:18:48,990 --> 01:18:46,900 great lost treasure 1612 01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:49,000 I'll come up my website comes up as 1613 01:18:54,060 --> 01:18:52,270 number one and you can take it from 1614 01:18:57,359 --> 01:18:54,070 there it's a rather ironic look at the 1615 01:18:58,530 --> 01:18:57,369 history take it as seriously as you want 1616 01:19:00,270 --> 01:18:58,540 take it not as 1617 01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:00,280 seriously as you want because you've got 1618 01:19:03,450 --> 01:19:01,570 have a bit of a sense of humor to 1619 01:19:04,650 --> 01:19:03,460 realize what's going on but in the end 1620 01:19:07,770 --> 01:19:04,660 if you can follow it 1621 01:19:10,110 --> 01:19:07,780 you'll get led somewhere and you're on 1622 01:19:13,260 --> 01:19:10,120 the Holy Grail if you really want it and 1623 01:19:15,690 --> 01:19:13,270 the trouble is once you you can't unknow 1624 01:19:18,780 --> 01:19:15,700 what you now know that's a line from 1625 01:19:20,430 --> 01:19:18,790 Sardis for one of the listeners but once 1626 01:19:22,860 --> 01:19:20,440 you start you can't actually go back 1627 01:19:26,160 --> 01:19:22,870 never look at renée's the shadow or Oak 1628 01:19:27,870 --> 01:19:26,170 Island or Rosslyn Chapel or one of the 1629 01:19:35,340 --> 01:19:27,880 other places ever again in the same 1630 01:19:37,650 --> 01:19:35,350 light yeah yeah well I know you once you 1631 01:19:40,650 --> 01:19:37,660 start getting into this material it's 1632 01:19:44,010 --> 01:19:40,660 sort of hard to let it go 1633 01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:44,020 I know I said to Nick they would after 1634 01:19:51,090 --> 01:19:48,730 we finished our film he said I just have 1635 01:19:55,100 --> 01:19:51,100 a question he said some people were 1636 01:19:59,970 --> 01:19:55,110 asking will you carry on and I said oh 1637 01:20:04,770 --> 01:19:59,980 yes I said I'm not ready to let go of 1638 01:20:07,770 --> 01:20:04,780 this now and I said or maybe it's not 1639 01:20:10,470 --> 01:20:07,780 ready to let go of me and he says oh yes 1640 01:20:12,930 --> 01:20:10,480 he says I was going to say it's not you 1641 01:20:17,220 --> 01:20:12,940 who's got hold of it it has got hold of 1642 01:20:20,420 --> 01:20:17,230 you and it was exactly right it's it's 1643 01:20:23,010 --> 01:20:20,430 I've seen people spend their lives 1644 01:20:24,870 --> 01:20:23,020 looking into this mystery I've seen 1645 01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:24,880 people lose their minds looking into 1646 01:20:32,790 --> 01:20:28,690 this mystery oh you have because you it 1647 01:20:34,950 --> 01:20:32,800 is so it's it's so late yeah but yeah 1648 01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:34,960 you either can he can't do it and if you 1649 01:20:39,750 --> 01:20:38,230 can't do it it doesn't mean it's bad or 1650 01:20:41,790 --> 01:20:39,760 anything it just means you haven't got a 1651 01:20:43,380 --> 01:20:41,800 talent like you know people who good 1652 01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:43,390 painters or writers or anything some 1653 01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:45,130 people just look at them and see what's 1654 01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:46,960 going on it's exactly what's happened 1655 01:20:52,980 --> 01:20:48,610 here you're gonna need to look at you 1656 01:20:53,790 --> 01:20:52,990 can look at my knees I'm happy that 1657 01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:53,800 they're different 1658 01:20:56,940 --> 01:20:55,690 I'm happy that there are different there 1659 01:21:01,140 --> 01:20:56,950 are different people with different 1660 01:21:03,510 --> 01:21:01,150 people the difference that's right well 1661 01:21:04,770 --> 01:21:03,520 also you know there's a lot of different 1662 01:21:07,170 --> 01:21:04,780 people that are looking into this 1663 01:21:10,110 --> 01:21:07,180 information that have different sales I 1664 01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:10,120 certainly do not have that you know 1665 01:21:15,090 --> 01:21:12,400 skill set about the geometry 1666 01:21:17,910 --> 01:21:15,100 and the maps and and all that you know 1667 01:21:21,470 --> 01:21:17,920 like probably you and people that court 1668 01:21:25,260 --> 01:21:21,480 Lindell and others have in Henry Lincoln 1669 01:21:27,870 --> 01:21:25,270 but you know I have you know the ability 1670 01:21:30,450 --> 01:21:27,880 to do a lot of research and sort of make 1671 01:21:32,820 --> 01:21:30,460 connections and I'm so happy that there 1672 01:21:34,260 --> 01:21:32,830 are people like you and others that are 1673 01:21:36,300 --> 01:21:34,270 out there doing the stuff that I just 1674 01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:36,310 can't do you know it's all I can think 1675 01:21:41,340 --> 01:21:39,190 oh it's a Z you can want to do it it's 1676 01:21:43,649 --> 01:21:41,350 just a way of thinking but see the 1677 01:21:45,270 --> 01:21:43,659 problem with it all is that it's not 1678 01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:45,280 like in the car park of Raleigh's the 1679 01:21:50,370 --> 01:21:46,810 shadow in the end it's somewhere very 1680 01:21:51,810 --> 01:21:50,380 remote very far away so people tend to 1681 01:21:53,570 --> 01:21:51,820 shy away from it but that's not the 1682 01:21:56,580 --> 01:21:53,580 attitude if you're adventurous enough 1683 01:21:57,720 --> 01:21:56,590 it's a good story too somebody's going 1684 01:22:00,270 --> 01:21:57,730 to pick up and run with it and 1685 01:22:02,520 --> 01:22:00,280 eventually we're going to give it enough 1686 01:22:04,500 --> 01:22:02,530 of the consciousness so it'll be 1687 01:22:06,990 --> 01:22:04,510 operated on and hopefully one day we'll 1688 01:22:08,850 --> 01:22:07,000 probably see the B Nora and whatever is 1689 01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:08,860 the Rose because it's not that far with 1690 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:11,409 modern technology we should be able to 1691 01:22:16,979 --> 01:22:14,530 hide it fairly easily yeah the music we 1692 01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:16,989 have the antics playing and the music 1693 01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:20,170 playing and explained and we have to say 1694 01:22:27,270 --> 01:22:22,330 tonight and happy Halloween happy 1695 01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:27,280 Halloween to everybody for joining me 1696 01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:28,330 tonight it's been an interesting 1697 01:22:32,729 --> 01:22:30,820 conversation so much so yep we missed 1698 01:22:42,300 --> 01:22:32,739 all the breaks but we don't care take